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06-11-2006, 04:11 PM | #241 |
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If I am thinking correctly, we are to expect analysis on Ang, myself, and Naria coming from Roa early toDay, no?
toDay I would like to hear more from Spawn, Firefoot, and Eonwe. Spawn topped my possible penguin suspicions yesterDay. I am also still very suspicious of Valier. And I would like to take a look at Enca and Firefoot, probably will do analysis on them. I would have analyzed overnight, but you know, ennui and all. It is, I suppose, good to have the Cobbler out of the way, but I'm not as happy about it as I thought I might be. Jenny was rather an overt Cobbler, and I think she served her purpose exactly as she wanted to yesterDay, garnering the most attention and the most lynch votes in lieu of a werepenguin.
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Okay, Mr. Known Innocent, what are you real thoughts on toDay? *puts pressure on tp's phantasmic shoulders*
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Lal chose to dream of me last night.... what a shock...
Here's the Ang analysis- I'm almost done with Diamond. After these two, Naria ought to be a walk in the park. Ang Summary Day 1 1st post - some in-character nonsense, likes to pick fights with phantom but can't because he's being sensible, still doesn't trust phantom, short overview of players: Quote:
3rd - response to phantom, says a lynched ranger leaves a better trail than a lynched ordinary (AN: How ironic...), a lynched ordinary volunteer leaves almost no trail, states again that he thinks we shouldn't follow this idea, leaves 4th - Answering accusations, some nonsense, says he had only a little time in which to make input, and that gave him only a little to go on, hence the lack of depth in his posts, points out that Spawn has yet to do Roa and Firefoot analysis, says he analysed the people who caught his interest, again points out tha Spawn hasn't made a case against Roa or Firefoot, says he doesn't want to criticize her about it, doesn't necessarily see a case against everyone he chooses to accuse, doesn't trust phantom but doesn't see a case against him, says his posts are line of thought, points out that we can't really do a plan in masse anyways, says he was concerned about phantom's reused seer plan, says he has to vote early 5th - response to Kitanna, points out that he's as noisy evil as he is innocent, says his point about Spawn with the Roa-Firefoot analysis was a joke 6th - Shares Boromir's concern's about Lal, says she's casts a wide net, but is fishing in a wide sea, decides not to vote for her, or phantom, but doesn't like phantom's plans, will vote for either Eonwe or Kitanna 7th - says case against Kitanna is founded on her being a "backer, not a starter," thinks she just made a few mistakes, Votes Eonwe for quietness 8th - Doesn't think that Boromir, Lal, or Roa deserve a lynching, thinks Roa's case against Boromir is flimsy, doesn't want Boromir or Lal to be a victim, decides to vote for Kitanna to save Lal, also considers voting Diamond for being bored 9th - Advises Roa to look elsewhere 10th - agrees that Boromir's defensiveness is odd, wishes he had voted Diamond instead 11th - Asks if anyone else is willing to vote Kitanna to save Lal 12th - Afraid that Lal will be lynched 13th - Says goodnight, hopes Lal can be saved Day 1 analysis The biggest thing that stood out to me when reviewing Ang on Day 1 is that he made a point to say that he did not advocate lynching innocents to keep from accidentally lynching gifted twice. Then, towards the end of the day, he suggests lynching Kitanna in order to save Lal, going so far as to get the ball rolling himself, and making repeated requests that others join him. There is a huge discrepency between what he said and what he did. Some other, slightly less incriminating things I saw- he continually tried to discourage the attack on Boromir, but, unlike Jenny, assumed that all involved were innocent. When I am a wolf and someone assumes I'm innocent, I laugh with glee; when I'm innocent and someone assumes I'm innocent with no real reason, I get very worried. I'm the only who knows I'm innocent except the wolves- everyone else is clueless about it. Day 1 especially is a bad time to assume innocense with out cause. Also, his opinion on Eonwe changed drastically without Eonwe actually saying anything in between. First, Ang says Eonwe's contribution is slight, but to be fair, he had little to work with. Then, he suddenly moves him to a likely vote for being too quiet. This is what Boromir did with me, so a repeat of this behavior does not bode well. Day 2 Summary 1st post - some nonsense, explains vote for Eonwe: In a hurry, wanted to vote for Kitanna but didn't have time to make a case, knew Enca would show up later to contribute unlike Eonwe, forgot Naria was playing Didn't take Boromir's defensiveness seriously, thinks suspicions of Diamond may be better placed 2nd - Admits to being around for a little longer after saying goodnight 3rd - Finds Jenny's vote impetuous, but not incriminating, says his ccase against Diamond is coming 4th - Case against Diamond, see http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=176 because I'm too lazy to summarize that whole thing, but he does make a big deal aboutDiamond's boredom statement 5th - More about Diamond, says her voting makes her look bad, point about her interaction with Boromir, says Diamond said that she suspected that she'd been proven innocent, says he examined Roa and she still looks innocent, votes Diamond, asks people to speak up 6th - Answers Valier, explains "Dolorous" 7th - Reminds everyone that Eonwe is male, says he'd rather be accused of being a penguin than a cobbler, some nonsense about music 8th - "Yep. Thanks Valier, I know I can always rely on you to cheer me up." 9th - Remarks that Firefoot is acting oddly 10th - Wonders if anyone else thinks Diamond is suspicious 11th - Banter 12th - Isn't convinced of Valier's or Jenny's guilt, though would vote Jenny before Valier Day 2 analysis There's less to look through, but this is what I found: He hurredly adresses his vote for Eonwe as not having enough time, though he had enough time to stick around, adress the attack on Boromir, and then vote Kitanna to save Lal. Never does he give a reason for his sudden switch on his thoughts about Eonwe, Nor does he supply better reason for why he wanted to attack Kitanna. Also, he stated it on Day 1, and again on Day 2, but for some reason he likes to accuse people before having a case against them. That seems a bit backwards to me, and terribly sneaky. If you want to find someone guilty when you review them, you will. Essentially he plants seeds of doubt about a player, then helps them grow by getting evidence about the guilt. Then, he made a direct mis-statement about Diamond. She never said that she suspected Lal had dreamed of her- she said that if Lal had dreamed of her, it would be perfectly alright by her to be revealed. Finally, towards the end, there was a lot of posting filled with a lot of nothing. People who talk a lot without saying anything make me suspicious. In his favor though, some of the points against him by Spawn and Kitanna weren't very good ones, and he did admit to being around at the end, though this could be a double bluff to make himself look innocent.
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06-11-2006, 04:20 PM | #244 |
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First off, I would like to apologize for my lack of posting yesterday. I really was just dead tired. But I've done lots of thinking (before and since), and have some things to say.
First off, I think that the two remaining penguins are Encai and Valier, although I'm more sure about Encai. This fits with my theory (and others', as well, I've noted) that Boromir would only have one wolf in each of his lists. I looked at his "most suspicious" list, and left were Ang and Roa, but I was extremely hesitant to mark either of them as penguins because their arguments with Boro seemed too genuine to be fabricated. So I put them on the back burner for a while and looked at the other two lists. From the middle list, after I took out phantom and myself, that left Encai, Naria, and Diamond. Diamond just didn't seem guilty to me, and besides has since voted for Valier to tie the vote between her and Jenny (this only really works as reasoning if Valier is a wolf, I suppose). There wasn't a lot to either of Naria or Encai, but of interest was that in Encai's post 159, she completely hi-lighted Ang and Roa as being on Boro's probably guilty list - taking attention away from the other two lists and in effect her. Also, she voted for Jenny when the vote was tied at 4-4, assuring that it would be Jenny to be lynched because even if Lalaith voted for Valier (as she did), Jenny would still be lynched because we knew Spawn would not be voting. (Again, this only works if Valier is a wolf...) As for Valier, she started out in her first couple posts saying that Boro was one of the "definitely guilty ones", but he soon faded out of sight. She then started attacking Ang pretty fiercely (who I'm thinking is innocent), and Naria keeps reappearing in her posts as well. Then you have her possibly evasive vote for Ang when the voting seemed fairly set to go for Lalaith while Boromir's down a couple votes. Barring these two, I think I would look at Naria, Eonwe, and Spawn, but these three are more on my "in-between" list. These are the people I don't really know anything about... I'll probably look at them sometime toDay. Mac, Ang, Diamond, and phantom (duh) are on my likely innocent list. YesterDay's voting: Macalaure – 1 (Jenny 1) Diamond – 1 (Anguirel 2) Valier – 5 (phantom 3, Firefoot 5, Eonwe 7, Diamond 10, Lalaith 12) Jenny – 5 (Macalaure 4, Naria 6, Roa 8, Valier 9, Encai 11) Did not vote: Spawn |
06-11-2006, 04:33 PM | #245 |
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I would like to note that, in my own personal perspective, I hesitate to find Ang guilty. Here's why- Boromir, our known wolf, put him in the most suspected list with Lal, Kitanna, and myself. We know that Lal and Kitanna are innocent, and I know I'm innocent. Given Boromir's past behavior concerning his fellow wolves, it would seem unlikely that he would put him on the suspected list if he were actually a wolf.
However, I do know that several players like to "change it up" a bit when repeating a role, and Boromir may have changed his play. That's why I'm not ruling Ang out.
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06-11-2006, 04:51 PM | #246 |
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*Sigh* well it looks like I will be spending most of the day defending myself. I find it quite amusing to read peoples analysis of me and the weak evidence there is against me. My voting has not been off. I voted for Ang because I think he is a WP, why else do you vote for someone. Boromir at first thought me innocent, which I found slightly odd, but I figured he was perhaps the Seer and had dreamt of me, that is why I did not vote for him at first, but of course after Lalaith revealed he was a WP, I switched my vote to him. I am innocent and I would love to stick around and help the village, but it's hard when everyone comes up with bogus stuff on you. Please I really think our Werepeguins lie in either Anguirel, Naria, Eonwe, Firefoot. I will try and give more info today on why I suspect these people. Mostly Ang and Naria
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06-11-2006, 04:56 PM | #247 |
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Er, Val, our reasons for suspecting you are a lot less bogus than, say, your reason for finding tp suspicious before Lal revealed him to be innocent. Also, how is your vaguely stated suspicion of Ang (and vote for him) something that we should not question, but you can pooh-pooh our suspicions and votes for you?
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06-11-2006, 05:05 PM | #248 |
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What Diamond said
So, Valier, all of a sudden I'm suspicious because I suspect you? Seriously, to this point the only place you've even mentioned me is once as being innocent... As for Ang and Naria, the only reason I've really found for your suspecting them is because they *could be* crafty players as wolves. Ang seems to be a complete gut instinct. And I don't remember you mentioning Eonwe before at all.
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06-11-2006, 05:15 PM | #249 |
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While I don't trust Valier any more than the rest of you (excluding phantom), I would like to point out that Valier never has distinct reasons for finding someone suspicious, and always goes by gut instinct. Always. And she's frighteningly accurate with her gut instincts. So, if you're looking for something to condemn her with, that ain't gonna cut it. Now, her changing her mind suddenly about someone is something worth mentioning, since I've never known her to give up a pursuit once she's after someone.
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06-11-2006, 05:30 PM | #250 |
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#60 Says that timezone will cause her to be quiet, states that she feels tp is innocent, agrees that the WW101 has been a bit boring, and doesn't think she's missed much. #64 Says she's suspicious of Lal for early anlysis and Spawn for singling out Ang, and defends quiet people. Votes for Lal, with the qualification that she's "probably wrong." #159 This is the first really suspicious post, in my view. She thinks that Boro would put one of his fellow penguins in his top suspects, and goes on to focus on Roa and Ang. You can chalk it up to difference of opinion, but I feel that it's more likely Boro would have put his comrades in his innocent to mildly suspicious categories. If that's true, Enca here could easily be attempting to direct the Elves away from looking at the lists where her and her feathery friend reside, and hoping to divert suspicion onto Roa and Ang. In her analysis of Roa and Ang she says that she thinks Roa is innocent and Ang is inconclusive, but this does not necessarily mean she wants the rest of us to agree. As long as we are focusing on these two, we are devoting our energies to them and not to others. By herself not finding them overly suspicious, she avoids looking as if she's attacking them. #180 Says that she thinks Roa and Mac are innocent. For Mac she cites his questioning and challenging, his joy at being voted for, and the fact that phantom whom she trusts find him innocent. #188 Agrees with Mac about Jenny and states intent to analyze her posts. If we are to find something avian in this, it could be that she has chosen an innocent to cling to (previous post) and is now bandwaggoning on his suspicions. #192 Analysis of Jenny. She also says -- "TP and I have also said that Mac is innocent, and neither of us are WPs." I find it slightly disturbing that she constantly reiterates that Phantom is innocent, and here lumps herself in with him as if she is also a known. She says she'll probably be voting for Jenny but will wait for Roa's analysis. With Mac, Phantom, and Roa I see a trend of her clinging to those who are known innocent or she claims are innocent. I also worry that she may have figured out that Jenny was a suicidal Cobbler and gratefully started going after her. #228 Votes for Jenny, pointing to "all that has been said" supporting her suspicions. What I don't like about this is that Jenny was the Cobbler and Enca never allowed for this, even though she claimed to be paying a great deal of attention to what other people were saying about Jenny, and both Roa and I voiced suspicions about Jenny being the Cobbler. Conclusion: Well, some of the things Enca's said and done are very suspicious. I can come up with reasons why they're avian. The only problem I have is that I've never played with Enca nor read a game in which she played, so I don't know how Innocent Enca behaves any more than I know how a guilty Enca might behave. I feel a bit like repeating my detective work on Boro and looking for games to read in which Enca was a wolf, or really, any game in which she played.
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All right, all right.... thoughts.... Jenn did her job- she made the village waste a lynch on her as opposed to getting killed by the WPs. Though I guess it's good she's gone, as now no one need wonder if someone is a sneaky Cobbler. Do you think both WPs voted for her? Did they suspect she was the Cobbler and tried to keep her alive? Do you think the WPs saw a chance to lynch Jenn over Valier and took it knowing Valier would surely be a likely vote again today? Or do you think Valier is a WP and she was barely saved by the Cobbler? Okay. I'm going to go back and find a few Boro quotes from day 1 and say what I think about them. In my opinion, that's about the best evidence we have- the words of a known WP. The question is, can we get inside Boro's head and figure out his reasoning, or will his layers of bluffing fool us completely? Boro on... 1) Valier Quote:
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Anyway, I was just saying, Valier, you can't complain too loudly about us suspecting you. Thing is, you usually do understand our perspective (not being able to trust your good intentions on faith alone) a little better than this.
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I'm still catching up with Day 2, but considering that it's past 3 am, I doubt I manage to post anything sensible before I fall asleep on my keyboard. Just wanted to say to those who out of courtesy refrained from accusing me yesterDay that feel free to go after me as much as you please now since I'm back.
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OKay, sorry this took so long; I kept getting side tracked.
Dimwe Diamond Day 1 Summary 1st post - vote for Eomer, retraction for Eomer, in-character nonsense 2nd - nonsense response to Valier's nonsense statement, doesn't understand the discussion about the cobbler, will be glad if the cobbler goes down, the now infamous "seer revealing the cobbler" plan 3rd - Finds discussion boring, wants to hear some crazy theories, doesn't see much point in early analysis, response to Boromir about vote for Eomer, explains that she didn't want to the seer to come forward just for the cobbler. 4th - points out that phantom almost always uses arrows 5th - gut feelings on people, thinks she may be way off Valier - normal Herself - penguin Naria - worrisome Mac - innocent Lal - not sure Firefoot - innocent Jenny - innocent Roa - where'd she go? phantom - okay Boromir - innocent Spawn - innocent Kitanna - not acting evil Enca - nothing, never played with before Ang - okay Eonwe - shady 6th - response to Lal, restates that she has niggling feelings about Lal, Roa, Eonwe, Naria, Enca, valier 7th - long statement about her opinion on summaries and analysis, prefers to wait until there are some deaths so that there are knowns before analyzing, also prefers to just link posts rather than make people slog through what they've already read, says she won't tell others not to post summaries, thinks the bickering is making everyone involved look a bit foul, worries that the wolves may be hiding better because of it 8th - isn't confident about voting, Votes Lal, says some of statements about other players don't sit well Day 1 analysis Concerning her seer-cobbler idea, it didn't seem at all odd to me. When I read it, I simply thought that she meant if the seer knew who the cobbler was at the time she came forward, then we could simply ignore that person for the remainder of the game, rather than waste a lynch. What bothers me is how she addressed the concerns about it. She said that all she meant was that when the seer came forward with some penguins, if the seer also knew who the cobbler was, she could point that out, too. This is a wholly obvious statement- the very kind she was putting down when she stated she was bored by the discussion. Strange bit of hypocrisy... I also find her statement about not likeing to analyze things before some deaths not very Diamond like at all. She knows perfectly well that this has caught a wolf on Day 1, with out seer reveals. I don't know, but it seems the usual Diamond spark is missing. And then there was her lists- she told Lal that she had bad feelings about her, myself, Eonwe, Naria, Enca, valier. However, her previous post showed that she didn't know anything about Enca, who had yet to post. How could she be worried about someone who had yet to show? It can't be past experience, because Diamond said that she had never played with Enca before. There was also the rather bold statement of declaring herself a penguin. Day 2 summary 1st post - Tells Lal that if she was the one dreamed that it's okay to reveal, but advises her to keep silent unless the person was going to get lynched, advises her to be silent about the hunter, says she can now see the strategy Lal was trying to employ, remarks about Arthur Dent, says she's going to go back through Boromir's posts 2nd - response to Mac, says Mac just seemed too overt in posting to be guilty, says it's too easy for newbies to sail along quietly and not rock the boat, claiming newbieness, and Mac didn't do that, which makes him look innocent, response about cobbler, rule posting 3rd - banter with Lal 4th - Points out that she's only seen Boromir as a seer, which makes understanding his wolfish posts somewhat difficult, thinks that she may dig through the grimoire to see what she can find, decides to wait for phantom 5th - wants to know if anyone posted pms at the end of TiG X 6th - analysis of Boromir's behavior in TiG X, notes that he never put phantom or Lalaith in his most suspicicious list, says that it is quite likely that Boromir put one wolf in his Not suspicious group, and one in his somewhat suspicious group, inclined to think Ang and Roa innocent for the time being, points out the flaw that Boromir might be playing differently 7th - response to Lal about Boromir's behavior, notes that he may use the same mentality that helped him win previously, or try something new that phantom and Lal wouldn't recognizee, points out that the people Boromir's habits point to have also made suspicious votes, says she will likely vote for Valier, Jenny, Spawn, or Eonwe, gives reasons for looking at all but Valier, thinks Ang looks rather gennuine in his attack on her 8th - Valier analysis http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=185 Over all finds her slippery. 9th - Spawn analysis http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=190 Finds Spawn to be rather odd, but wants to lay off her since she'll be gone all day 10th - Eonwe Analysis http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=194 Eonwe is evil and must die. Hopes mod fire will destroy him. 11th - Explains shoemaker to Mac 12th - Jenny analysis http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpos...&postcount=212 Either a preoccupied ordo or the cobbler 13th - Agrees with Roa about Jenny, still believes Jenny to be cobbler, says she will try to get Eonwe lynched tomorrow if he votes just to stay alive, finds Spawn the most penguinesque, but doesn't want to vote for her because of absense, remark about music choices 14th - Sympathizes with Ang, thanks roa for vote count 15th - Votes Valier 16th - Agrees with Ang that she is mildly suspicious Day 2 analysis She never gave a real reason for going after Valier, excep that she was on Boromir's likely innocent list. Also, she repeated that she had never played with Boromir and so didn't know his style, and she also noted the same with Enca. The Diamond I know has never let a lack of knowledge about a player stop her from analyzing and making assumptions about them. Again, she agrees with Ang that she's suspicious, a rather bold move akin to her first day assertion that she's a penguin. So, she's not confident enough to know who to vote for, but she is confident enough to make that kind of statement?
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One other thing I've noticed about Diamond that's odd- her willingness, almost eagerness, to go along with whatever phantom says. Compare this to Deuling Wizards, where an innocent Diamond argued against the revealed Good Wizard's ideas of supplying suspects. For someone who is usually an independant firebrand, she's been rather... yeilding this game. A Diamond who goes along with others is a Diamond that just doesn't exist on the side of good.
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06-11-2006, 07:14 PM | #258 |
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Ok Ok now I am not pooh-poohing anyone for suspecting me at all!! I was only saying I find it amusing, all the stuff people come up with. As for me putting Firefoot on my list, I do this because I find her post about me to be just plain off and the whole thing is based on if I am a WP. Oh and Eonwe...He's always on my list and this time he has been extra weird in saying he won't be around until he feels like it. I don't really care if others want to vote for me, that's fine. But you will all see when I am gone that once again I am an Ordo. I know it is hard to take someone on their word so I won't say anything about this again. If I must die, so you guys may see, so be it, but heed what I have said.
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okay, I'm going to do my Naria analysis now. As she only has five posts, this shouldn't take too long. Though, As a warning to Eonwe- if he doesn't honestly contribute today I'm voting for him. His statement about not having enough to work with is hogwash. There's plenty to work with. Almost too much. Yesterday he voted mainly to save himself. If he can't shape up, well, I'm not putting up with it.
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06-11-2006, 07:28 PM | #261 |
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#13 Incharacter, followed by discussion of the Cobbler (doesn't think it'll be a problem till later so doesn't worry about it now) followed by joking accusations of Roa and tp. The one thing I notice is that Jenny was also an advocate of not being concerned with the Cobbler. However, Firefoot's points about it are valid, here. #29 Clarification on a question about the Cobbler. #37 Comments on the oddity of people doing analysis already, but doesn't find it necessarily suspicious. Teases tp. #56 She replies to someone about Spawn, and there's another anon. quote she agrees with. #71 Says Jenny, Mac, and Diamond all feel innocent and votes for Lalaith, saying she just isn't sitting right. #168 Says she's tired, makes a few comments, agrees with something tp said about Valier, and finds Ang's vote suspicious but isn't convinced he's guilty. #209 Says she's not any less tired, isn't concerned about dying, and votes Valier, saying it's not random but giving no further reason. #244 Builds a case against Enca and Val as the two remaining penguins, being more certain about Enca. Lists Naria, Eonwe, and Spawn as "in betweens" and Mac, Ang, & Diamond as likely innocent. #248 Agrees with my post about Valier's defensiveness. Conclusion: Overall her posting has been a lot sparser than usual, and most of her posts don't say much. Her most substantial post is #244. I don't feel comfortable with this, but if it is due large in part to RL, I'd like to hold off seriously suspecting her. The worst looking things right now are her vote for Lal and Boro's opinions on her.
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The major flaw in Firefoot's attack on Valier is this- her whole case is based on the assumption the Valier is a penguin. There isn't a single piece of solid, unbiased evidence in it. It's all speculation, which is no case at all. Phantom's case against Valier had facts in it; Diamond's case against Vailer had facts in it. Firefoot's case is sorely lacking these, and that is something I know she isn't known for doing when innocent.
And, really, attacking Valier because she used her gut is like attacking anyone for playing the same way they usually do. Sure it could be a great cover, but that doesn't mean it is.
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Roa that is exactly the reason I put Firefoot on my list of suspects today! I could not quite find the words to express what I meant, but you did it beautifully.
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1st post - Isn't going to be around for the next 11 hours 2nd post - Says she just had enough time to read through, thinks Lal stood out, votes Lal 3rd post - Retracts to Boromir, apologizes 4th post - looking grim, wonders why Kitanna revealed herself 5th post - Apologizes for absence, says the cases against Jenny make her look quite evil, and her pop up vote for Mac is unnerving, and her style is similar to what she's done as a wolf, Votes Jenny Her vote for Lal is rather sinnister, and it's possible she may have been bandwagoning. However, I don't doubt that she cross posted with Lal's reveal. She's far too intelligent to vote for a revealed seer. Her vote for Jenny semms equally bandwagony, though. And... that's all I got.
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Sorry for the triple post
My comments in 258 were meant to be read in conjunction with Diamond's post immediately preceding, although you all seem intent on reading it as stand alone, which does rather change the reading of it.
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Just because you agreed with her doesn't mean I shouldn't take your comment for it's own value. It's too easy to hide by just agreeing with other people. I looked at your comment for what it was. And it's not 258- that's Valier again.
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