Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Valier]

I don't know what happened, but I tried for THREE hours to get on the Downs for my vote. I could not get here!

[Caranlondien]

Just for the record (although I guess everyone probably figured this anyway)... The site was down, and I couldn't get on to vote. I tried from 11:30 PM to 3:30 AM here, at which point I decided to just go to sleep.

[Gurthang]

Same story here. I tried about every half an hour from 12:00am to 2:30am and then gave up.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

tar-ancalime will be whisked away on the sixth NIGHT due to RL reasons.

Just so you know.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

tar-ancalime will be removed from the game along with the Werewolf's NIGHT kill.

[Cailín]

I am becoming a bit worried.

Prophet Nilp, you are starting the Day early, right? Right? Tis a Saturday after all.

And I have the little problem that I am supposed to be on the bus at 8:15 AM GMT to join my grandma & parents in the country for the weekend. So, if the day does not start early -as I assumed it would- I shall not be able to post or vote at all.

Very humble apologies. Don't hate me. I will suffer more from this trip than you.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I have opened the DAY late, because I was taking my French finals this noon.

[Nogrod]

Lommy would like all of you to know, that her absence today is due to her problems with net-access.

[Gurthang]

Just so everyone knows, and so I can get on the 'list' that seems so important, I want to say that I would like to mod sometime this summer. I don't care when exactly, but late May-June-July, sometime in there. I've already started thinking about how the game will go, so I better get my chance. Anyway, I guess put me down on the list.

[JennyHallu]

Farael's got the next game, right?

I am definitely in, whenever he pops up and starts doing sign-ups.

[Valier]

Jenny, Farael is playing in my game and modding ww20. Would you like me to sign you up for mine? I would like two more players before I start.

[JennyHallu]

Valier, Farael is Modding WWXX, which is the one I am signing up for. I can't commit to two at once, unlike Farael. Honestly I think he's crazed.

[Caranlondien]

Sign me up for Farael's game, too! This is horribly, horribly addictive...

[Nogrod]

I'll play aggressive enough to be lynched early in Valier's game at TiGJ... I really would like to join the game modded by Farael! So count me in also. I will withdraw, if the others won't lynch me there and it keeps being interesting...

[Valier]

I find this^^ Rude and offensive!!! Please do not sign up for a game, then if you don't like it,withdraw. I will not allow a withdrawl from my game for this reason.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Valier

I find this^^ Rude and offensive!!! Please do not sign up for a game, then if you don't like it,withdraw. I will not allow a withdrawl from my game for this reason.

I hope my PM was kind enough to answer - and to make the responsibilities straight: if I'm in in one game, then I'm in with that one (yours). Don't worry, Valier... I do not intend to die at the first day- even though the people who have played with me, could think that to be my daily style...

So I have not withdrawed your game Valier, it would not come into my mind! I was just thinking, whether I could participate on Farael's too. Maybe it's too much, maybe it isn't? Need to see how these games are going to develop. If we start on Monday (why should we wait until Tuesday?), we'll have the game going beautifully before Farael can start his...

[Farael]

Alrighty!!! I'm up next on the modding list. Good.

First of all, anyone minds if WW XX takes a week to start? It works out better for me that way, and also it gives me more time to convince Nilp to join

I'd be starting on Monday, April 3rd if that's ok with everyone else. Or maybe on Saturday the 1st if you rather have it start sooner.

Important things to decide:
*Voting deadline: I would propose somewhere around 6 PM Central time (which is 12 AM GMT). Our Brittish/European friends should be able to post relatively close to the deadline and us Americans/Canadians can post after school/university/work. Of course, I'm really bad with the timezones here in North America so if that time does not work for any of you all, let me know

Special Roles: I was thinking of trying something new, let's see what you think of it.

Rather than having a Seer who chooses whom to dream and then gets the information, we'd have a (let's give it another name) "Shaman" who's role is to ask the gods, deities or prophets information about one villager. This information will be disclosed on a dream.... but not to the Shaman. At least not necessarily. It will be given at random to anyone in the village. Including wolves.

Yes, I don't like the role of the Seer so much, I find it a little unbalancing when after five or six nights the seer comes out and all of a sudden half the village is known to be innocent. It would still be possible to do that, but I'm not going to say how... I'll let the Shaman (should he/she ever come to exist) figure it out.

Compensation: Ranger, Hunter and Shaman can PM during the day. The ranger can't protect the Shaman two nights in a row so they should choose carefully.

If the village is large enough, I'd like to toy with the werewolves a little.... but adding some Lovers might be over-kill. If you can figure out a good idea on what to do, either post it here or PM it to me and I can take the credit

Double-lynches: No. Unless I'm persuaded otherwise, there will be no double-lynches. If the village gets too big I'll figure out a different way of making the game shorter, but I don't like it when the game is over because of math. I want to make you all think *evil laugh*



By the way, I will need a co-mod as my schedule is, at best, crazy. Without a co-mod we might have days starting/ending late without proper notice.... so if you want to co-mod, PM me =) It'll be fun.

Ok, I think that's all... If you want to propose anything for the game, I'm all ears.

[Farael]

Here's the list of signees for Farael's game

Caranlondien: Vampires, no double lynch
JennyHallu:
Nogrod:?
Diamond:?
Grendelien:
Saucepan Wolf Vampires, indifferent
Findëasëa
Celuien:?
Right now, we need at least 10 more players. I'll decide the setting and all in a while.

Edit: Scratch that, I almost forgot... I have an interesting setting

We've had Wolves chasing after men (And women)
We've had heroes chasing after wolves
What are we forgetting?

Well, Some theories say that Orcs were originally corrupted elves. What it's only known by some few masters in the lore of Orcology is that Sauron the deciever had a bigger evil than his werewolves. He created the wereorcs During the day, those fiends looked just like any other elf, all stuffed and boring but at night... the fair skin turned into rotten leather, the soft hands replaced by claws and the eyes... so dead and lifeless. They turned into orcs.

So what do you all say? sounds plausible enough?

Last edited 11 10 AM, March 28th: Added Celuien

[Nogrod]

If you are not starting quite yet, I might want to apply into this. But put it down with a questionmark. I'll have to see, how I fare in Valier's game, starting tomorrow...

[Garin]

Nogrod: I do not intend to die at the first day- even though the people who have played with me, could think that to be my daily style...

If anyone needs a lynch lesson, I am available.

As much as i wish to obtain longevity ... I also am tempted to maiintain my perfect lynch record but it will always be buffered by my survival instinct.

Really, never get into a WW game unless you are willing to go all the way. It is one of the most annoying things in WW when someone just decides to quit after commiting.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Garin

Really, never get into a WW game unless you are willing to go all the way. It is one of the most annoying things in WW when someone just decides to quit after commiting.

Just check my record... There probably isn't a game where I haven't been the top poster. So my worries about not to be able to come in wholeheartedly means something like under 15 posts a day...

[Diamond18]

Farael, I might be interested in playing. Since Valier's game starts this week and yours doesn't start till next week, I may well be able to balance both. I'm going to be modding the next WWJ game after Valier so I want to get all the wolfish experience I can get before then.

But put me down as a maybe. If by next week I feel I can't handle it, I don't want to be totally committed.

I love the wereorcs idea, by the way.

[Grendelien]

I would very much like to join the next game. I've been reading the posts from the previous game, and it looks like fun!

[The Saucepan Man]

Farael

I would certainly be interested, so please put me down as a maybe. I need to work out whether I am going to have the time spare to play another game. If I do play, I may have to try to limit my posting - although I always intend to do that and always seem to end up posting frequently and at length.

Not to sure about Wereorcs. They don't really seem fearsome, or gothic, enough. What about Vampires? They are certainly canon (Thuringwethil, for example).

Also not sure about the Shaman, Ranger and Hunter being able to PM each other. One of the interests of the game is whether the Ranger is able to accurately identify and protect the Seer (or Shaman in this game). Add to that the fact that those who know each other's identity tend to be easier for the Wolves to spot, and it rather neutralises from the advantage. Personally, I prefer it when none of the Gifteds know each other.

The Shaman role sounds interesting, though.

I don't really mind about double lynchings, one way or the other. With a Seer instead of a Shaman, though, the mathematical win becomes less of a possibility.

I also think that we should stick to the rule that people should only play in one game at a time. There is generally enough interest that two games can be adequately populated without any need for doubling up. Properly played, a Werewolf game is quite a big committment, and two at the same time would perhaps be a bit too much. I know from having been following two games at a time that it easy to get them confused, and that is even more of a risk if people are playing in two games at once. It's not such an issue if someone is modding one game and playing in another (although I still think that this should be avoided unless someone has a lot of time on their hands), but it may be a problem if someone is playing in two games at once.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Grendelien

I would very much like to join the next game. I've been reading the posts from the previous game, and it looks like fun!

Welcome Grendelien!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I also think that we should stick to the rule that people should only play in one game at a time. There is generally enough interest that two games can be adequately populated without any need for doubling up. Properly played, a Werewolf game is quite a big committment, and two at the same time would perhaps be a bit too much. I know from having been following two games at a time that it easy to get them confused, and that is even more of a risk if people are playing in two games at once. It's not such an issue if someone is modding one game and playing in another (although I still think that this should be avoided unless someone has a lot of time on their hands), but it may be a problem if someone is playing in two games at once.

I think you have some wisdom here... and that's the reason, I've been so reluctant to go to one way or another. I have promised Valier to be in her game, and that's a deal, not to be withdrawn. What I have promised, I will keep. We'll see, how that game goes on - as this game will take some time to really start. So Farael, do use the question mark over my name still. I will be joining you, if I'm dead in the TiGJ-game, but if it turns out a good game (myself included), I will stay there...

[Findëasëa]

I see there is already a newbie signed up, but I'd like to sign up too, if that's okay. This will be exciting!

[Farael]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Not to sure about Wereorcs. They don't really seem fearsome, or gothic, enough. What about Vampires? They are certainly canon (Thuringwethil, for example).

I'll let "the people" decide.... so choose what ever you prefer. I have a thing for Vampires so I'm good with that

Also not sure about the Shaman, Ranger and Hunter being able to PM each other. One of the interests of the game is whether the Ranger is able to accurately identify and protect the Seer (or Shaman in this game). Add to that the fact that those who know each other's identity tend to be easier for the Wolves to spot, and it rather neutralises from the advantage. Personally, I prefer it when none of the Gifteds know each other.

Well, the point was that the ranger can't always protect the seer/shaman so he has to choose wisely... but maybe you are right, they'd be easier to spot. hmmm maybe we could scratch that and add the lovers?

I don't really mind about double lynchings, one way or the other. With a Seer instead of a Shaman, though, the mathematical win becomes less of a possibility.

How so?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Findëasëa

I see there is already a newbie signed up, but I'd like to sign up too, if that's okay. This will be exciting!

Welcome to the game!

[Caranlondien]

I like the idea of Vampires, and I like the Shaman role, too. My vote is definitely against double lynchings; Much as I enjoyed winning the last game, I sympathize with poor Form...

[Caranlondien]

And welcome, Grendelien and Findëasëa!

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Me

I don't really mind about double lynchings, one way or the other. With a Seer instead of a Shaman, though, the mathematical win becomes less of a possibility.

Originally Posted by Farael

How so?

Sorry, I meant that with a Shaman instead of a Seer, the mathematical win becomes less of a possibility. Thinking it through, though, I am not sure that it does. The Shaman knows who he/she has dreamed of and can confirm the visions received by others, so the Shaman can still reveal and create a pool of known innocents.

[Garin]

Okay, I haven't seen any vampires in games but I am assuming that there is a chance of turning the chosen victim into a vampire as well. That is what vampires do with the first bite. This could be an amazing role because it might actually pit the vampire against the wolves. Vampires could attack the werewolves -- changing the furry pack animal into a lone seductor/seductress. We could have 3 factions going at it but would probably need at least 20 players.

[Diamond18]

Aren't vampires supposed to be killed by sunlight, and sleep during the Day?

Okay okay. I know mythos can be adapted, but I thought I'd just bring that up?

[Farael]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Sorry, I meant that with a Shaman instead of a Seer, the mathematical win becomes less of a possibility. Thinking it through, though, I am not sure that it does. The Shaman knows who he/she has dreamed of and can confirm the visions received by others, so the Shaman can still reveal and create a pool of known innocents.

Bad, BAD Saucepan Man... I said there was a way but I'd let the Shaman figure it out!! Yes, it is still possible, just a little more complicated and a little less "Certain" as if a wolf happens to get one of the dreams (and mostly, if a wolf happens to get a dream about a fellow wolf) he/she could lie....

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Farael

Bad, BAD Saucepan Man... I said there was a way but I'd let the Shaman figure it out!!

Oops! Well you did ask ...

I did toy with the idea of Vampires who could convert innocent villagers into their own kind a while back. The game would need to start with just one Vampire, but even then it seemed to me that it would be very difficult for the villagers to win, and impossible without the availability of double-lynchings.

I only suggested Vampires because I thought that Farael was looking for an alternative to Werewolves simply in name.

Although a three way game with Werewolves and a Vampire who could convert others into Vampires might be interesting, if completely confusing, if it could be worked out properly ...

[Farael]

... hopefully not stepping in anyone's toes

After toying with the idea of having vampires rather than wereorcs, I have decided to go with the latter. What I want, actually, is an excuse to have an elven village, and I think orcs work best, as they are THE enemies of the fair folk.

Having said that, we could have a vampire if we can work out how it'd work without unbalancing the game to either side.

[Caranlondien]

The Saucepan Man makes a good point. In a game with both Werewolves and Vampires, I might be persuaded in favor of double lynches.

Vampires would make the Shaman/Seer's role more, er, interesting, wouldn't they? Known innocents wouldn't remain known very long.

What an interesting game that would be...

[Celuien]

Looks like an interesting game. But I don't know if I can handle three rounds in a row.

Must think it over. I'll join Diamond in the maybe camp.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Farael, your game looks really interesting! Sign me up, please!

Unless I have the timezones really messed up, it looks like about 6:00 PM Central time is 7:00 PM EST, which is a welcome change. It means that I won't have to vote early (though it also means that I'll only have an hour or two to review all the posts I missed, but that's not bad.) So it works for me, which is a change.

As for double-lynchings: I am not a fan. As I said once, I think in the WWJ thread, I want my own ironic death, thanks. But on a more serious note, I think that they're just too easy to abuse.

If the only difference between wereorcs and vampires is the name, I prefer vampires...just because wereorcs are too...icky.