Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVIII: The Play’s The Thing…

[Boromir88]

After some thought I've concluded my vote will be either for Aiwendil or tar-ancalime.

I have had a funny feeling about Aiwendil. Yes, Aiwendil's been offering advice and has seemed pretty smart. But Farael has put together a strong case, and I'm worried that he's done a clever job of poking attention towards lmp, while never committing to a full accusal of him.

For someone who was pretty heavily suspected the last two days, we've all just seemed to have forgotten about our ex-leppress and everyone got caught up with lmp, as tar-ancalime has slipped in the background...that's never a good thing.

[Kath]

Well no one really seemed to appreciate this but I find it helpful and if I don’t post it I’ll just be accused of being quiet and if I do it’ll be long posts with little to say. Ah well.

Day 2:

Anguirel – saw that Holby had supported morm, so perhaps the latter is innocent? However as said there is little evidence so that theory would have to be tested.

Celuien – claims she would never have picked Holby as Gifted. Ok but why make such a mention of it? Can’t see any clues in Holby’s posts and doesn’t think she dreamt of morm (which would make him innocent) because the evidence is too weak. Finds Lhuna’s comments odd and thinks lmp’s behaviour may have been a little furry.

Morm – suspects tar-a and lmp, though we can ignore the latter now. Builds up an argument against lmp that is now useless. I wonder though whether this fierce campaign could have been a wolvish attempt to avoid suspicion. That sounds odd but Eomer thought the wolves would be timid and someone else thought they would play to their strengths, so he would be going against Eomer which if morm was a wolf would put some suspicion on Eomer, and also thanks to Boromir’s ‘too usual’ post we just explain it as ‘morm being morm’ and he escapes suspicion. And yes I know not much of that made sense, it’s hard to explain. Cross about lmp’s reaction to his suspicion.

Glirdan – repeats that his vote for Gil was random and asks to be excluded from suspicion. Wants to look at those who jumped on his ‘lynch the quiet ones’ campaign as it was only to generate conversation not actually meant. Specifically means Lhuna here. There is a funny ‘we’ when talking of how the wolves would act which at first glance seems to suggest he is one of them, but I don’t think he’d be that stupid! Belatedly answers Aiwendil’s questions but not in any way that would really help the wolves. Goes on at Lhuna about the quietness thing, claiming he has the same timezone worries though, unless he secretly lives in the Philippines, I don’t believe he does. Votes Lhuna based on these worries.

Aiwendil – makes a point of saying he didn’t think Holby the Seer. Doesn’t understand the votes for Gil or Boromir. Thinks Form and Garin look the most suspicious. Also thinks tar-a is still suspicious for her attacking and then backing off pattern, and for her vote for Eomer as he feels it was ‘safe’. Seems to suspect Glirdan but thinks the other are more suspicious. Finds the anti-Boromir campaign suspicious because while villagers and wolves sound the same they don’t vote the same, and he thinks these Boromir votes show that. Thinks Form suspicious for his vote. Thinks Garin’s vote looks wolvish with him either trying to save a wolf or just get Gil killed. Thinks lmp is behaving oddly. Doesn’t think Farael suspicious, but wonders if he is the False Seer after wondering the same thing of lmp. Seems a thinly veiled attempt to root out the remaining Seer to me. Suspects Form and Garin. Utterly agreed on the latter right now.

Boromir – thinks the wolves may be trying to set up Lhuna and tar-a. Thinks morm, SPM and spawn innocent (I am inclined to agree with the last two). Lhuna, Garin and lmp considered suspicious along with Celuien. Suspects these people also because they fanned the Seer discussion, which he beleives was a wolvish ploy. Says he honestly believed he had to vote Gil to save himself but takes back suspicion of lmp since he had now realised this. Accuses lmp.

Form – argues that his vote for Boromir was reasoned, though not really due to suspicions. But then he doesn’t believe in Day 1’s so that makes sense even if it is a little odd. Thinks Garin more likely to be an innocent than a wolf though won’t discount the possibility that he could be one. A bit indecisive.

Garin – explains his vote. Thinks Boromir suspicious due to his flurry of late posting. Defends his vote for Boromir. Woah! Earlier claimed that the False Seer was but a useless villager and should come forward, now condemns lmp for doing the exact same thing! That’s not flipflopping, that’s hypocrisy!

Lmp – explains the knife comment, unfortunately along with some nasty names. Argues against morm, and we now know he is innocent so perhaps morm’s big thing against him is a little suspicious, or actually a lot suspicious. Thinks SPM, Farael, Aiwendil, spawn and Ang innocent. Finds morm, Form, Kath, Garin Celuien and Boromir suspicious. Top three suspects are morm, Form and Boro, and I am increasingly agreed on the first of that triad. Suddenly though Garin becomes most suspicious to him. Explains his suspicions of Boromir.

SPM – thinks Holby’s death was an attempt to frame tar-a, and so thinks the latter innocent. Thinks the votes for Boromir odd. Suspects the Gil voters. Could go either way on Boro’s vote for Gil. Now, I am starting to find that more and more suspicious since he did not need to vote for Gil to save his own life. It was an easy excuse for a ‘safe’ vote. Thinks Glirdan and tar-a innocent and Lhuna suspicious. Therefore suspicious of morm, Kath, Celuien, lmp and Lhuna. Supports lmp against mormegil over the knife comment. Thinks Aiwedil, lmp and Celuien (learn to spell it SPM!) suspicious over the Seer talking.

Nilp – thinks those on the Boromir bandwagon suspicious since it started so suddenly and so late. Also not keen on those who voted for Gil since he saw no reasoning behind it. Thinks those that voted Lhuna are innocent if misguided. Thinks tar-a and Eomer may be wolves based on the ‘safe’ vote. Thinks Farael innocent. Thinks those who voted Gil and tar-a are innocent. So suspicious of lmp, Ang, tar-a, Form and Garin. The first two we know to be innocent, what about the last 3?

Tar-a – Defends Boromir but makes a points of not being allied with him. Unsure over Garin because of his questioning of Boromir. Doesn’t get the Boromir bandwagon.


That's as far as I have time to go but actually I'm quite happy with where I've stopped having just noticed that little comment of Garin's. I have absolutely no regret with voting

++GARIN

You've been speaking of hypocrisy Eomer, here is a prime example!

[Garin]

Earlier claimed that the False Seer was but a useless villager and should come forward, now condemns lmp for doing the exact same thing! That’s not flipflopping, that’s hypocrisy!

I said the false seer should lay low and never once told them to come forth you filthy revisionist! Post the quotes liar.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Thank you Morm. By the way, what information did you glean from your random accusations on Day One. You never did tell anyone; you just let it pass.

Kath, I don't quite follow. Do you mean Garin was hypocritical? He has bundles of votes. Why do I think no-one is ever going to vote for Dancing Spawn...

[Boromir88]

I think today will tell us a lot, as it's coming down to voting I must cast my vote for

++Aiwendil

It's been a crazy action packed day, and depending upon the turnout (wolf or not) we shall certainly be able to find a lot from these votes today.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've never found him to be too suspicious, but I'm going to do my best to save my own neck because I know I'm innocent.

++GARIN

I really hope you're a wolf.

[Kath]

Ah, er sorry, Garin! I freely admit I misread that post.

The False Seer experiment failed the second our dear True Seer shuffled off this mortal coil.

The False Seer is now but an innocent villager with no reason to PM the Mod Gods unless he or she likes feeling cheated.

Our Falsie should be more inclined to follow his or her intuition and logic rather than these horrid random dreams. Does Falsie want to be perpetually stuck in day ONE?

I think not.

Once a fool realizes he or she was the fool.... walk away. Sorry Mods.

That was the one I was looking at. It was the walk away bit I believe that threw me.

Um, sorry.

[Garin]

I really hope you're a wolf.

Sorry pal, you are wrong. The village appears doomed.

[Shelob]

(The village square, the tempers which have until now remained fairly under control have begun to break from their constraints as the Third DAY progresses)

Littlemanpoet: (reflecting and slightly remorseful) To be, or not to be – that is the question; Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to NOT CHEAT (here glaring rather accusatorially at SPM and NILP)
Saucepan Man: It was not cheating, and I’m not going to stand here and be insulted like that.
Littlemanpoet: Running away, eh? Come back here and take what’s coming to you.
Aiwendil: I wouldn’t say it was quite cheating, the anagrams were right out in the open, there for anyone to see.
Nilpaurion: Yeah, it was more like in Clue. The rules say “A door is the opening in the wall”, well all the windows have the same sort of holes in the walls. So the windows are doors, it’s not cheating because there’s nothing against it in the rules.
Littlemanpoet: There’s nothing for it in the rules either.
Saucepan Man: Perhaps, but to cheat one must “violate rules deliberately”, we can’t violate rules if they don’t exist.
Littlemanpoet: Oh dear, I hadn’t thought of that. (and promptly vanishes in a puff of [almost] logic)
Formendacil: That was unexpected…
Kath: Too true, might I suggest we move on.
Mormegil: Good idea, I nominate that we should lynch Eomer, as he’s now the most suspicious looking person.
Dancing Spawn: I’ll second that, “hypocrite” indeed.
Eomer: Fair is foul now, keep that in mind.
Farael: And foul fair, but knowing that doesn’t seem to be helping.
Celuien: I don’t know, Garin’s been looking pretty wolfy since Day 1.
Garin: Wolfy?
Glirdan: Gah, this whole thing’s been so confusing. It’s setting up the complete wrong mood for writing music.
Boromir88: Look, it’s getting close to NIGHT, let’s just lynch Garin. He’s got the majority of votes now anyway.

(The villagers mob Garin and manage to get him onto the gallows which are still in the square.)

Garin: I’m telling you, this is a mistake. You’ll regret it you will!

(Regardless of what Garin says the villagers crowd round and pull the lever. Like Gil-Galad before him Garin dies cleanly without any signs of Lycanthropy)

Tar-Ancalime: Again! This isn’t going well at all…not well at all.

(The villagers depart for another NIGHT. They have much to think on, much that needs looking at.)


-----
Living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Mormegil
Aiwendil
Glirdan
Formendacil
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant
Nilpaurion Felagund
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kath
Celuien
Tar-Ancalime
Boromir88

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY3

NIGHT 4 begins, Usual PMs, etc.

[Shelob]

(The past night was rainy and so as the villagers make their way through the fields just to the north of their town there is much slipping and many villagers, when they eventually reach Dancing Spawn’s herd of sheep, are covered to some extent with mud. The sheep are, for the most part, grazing though some are still lying asleep.)

Mormegil: It’s a pity it rained last night, if everything weren’t so muddy we might be able to find traces of Dancing Spawn.
Formendacil: Does anyone know how many sheep Spawn looked after?
Eomer: Not really, I can’t recall her ever having said. Why?
Formendacil: It’s just that it seems like there’s more sheep than usual.
Boromir: Perhaps they’re just more spread out than you’ve seen them before, Dancing Spawn isn’t here to keep them from wandering right now.
Glirdan: Or perhaps one of the sheep is Spawn.
Aiwendil: That seems unlikely, I know Spawn cares a great deal for these sheep but I just can’t see her going native.
Glirdan: No, I mean that sheep, (pointing) doesn’t look so much like a sheep sleeping as it does like something wrapped in a sheep skin.

(The two villagers closest to the sheep Glirdan pointed out make their way toward it to investigate)

Farael: Perhaps Spawn is a wolf…in sheep’s clothing.
Saucepan Man: And what? She overslept?
Nilp: (having reached the sheep in question) No, it’s defiantly something that’s not alive wrapped in a sheep skin. Kath, give me a hand will you.

(The two manage to unwrap the sheepskin, which is around Dancing Spawn’s rather mutilated corpse.)

Kath: Urg, unless I’m much mistaken the wolves got her early last night, before the rain really started.

(The other villagers gather around)

Formendacil: Alas poor shepherd, thou art in a perilous state.
Eomer: If these beast be not damned for this, the devil himself…
Farael: We should go back to the village, we have another chance to catch a wolf today and there’s nothing we can do here.

(With that the villagers return to their village square, short another innocent.)

-----
Living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Mormegil
Aiwendil
Glirdan
Formendacil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kath
Celuien
Tar-Ancalime
Boromir88

Dead:
Shelob (Mod)--Killed by wolves on NIGHT 1
Abercrombie (Mod)--Killed while Yeti-Spotting on NIGHT 1
Gil-Galad (Ordinary)--Lynched at the close of DAY 1
Holbytlass (True Seer)--Gloucester-ized and welled on NIGHT 2
Lhunardawen (Ordinary)--Drown’d a muddy death upon DAY 2
Anguirel (Ordinary)--Killed quite safely during NIGHT 3
Littlemanpoet (Ordinary)--Vanished during DAY 3
Garin (Ordinary)--Lynched at the end of an eventful DAY 3
Dancing Spawn of Ungoliant (Ordinary)--Thus was the shepherd beaten from their side during NIGHT 4

DAY 4 begins, a bit earlier than usual but then that's the misfortune of my schedule...

[Farael]

Hmm, this death makes Eomer look pretty bad... almost too bad to be real, don'tcha think? We have a smart pack of werewolves in our midst, maybe it's time I change strategy... although I'd much rather see Aiwendil lynched before I do.

[mormegil]

I was convinced after we discovered Garin's innocence and now Spawn's death only shores up my belief that Eomer is guilty.

He will come crying that this is a set up but believe me he was the killer last night. I just can't identify his cohorts yet. Kath? Tar-A? Celuien?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Farael

Hmm, this death makes Eomer look pretty bad... almost too bad to be real, don'tcha think? We have a smart pack of werewolves in our midst, maybe it's time I change strategy... although I'd much rather see Aiwendil lynched before I do.

So then you are just willing to write him off?

This is folly!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Brilliant wolves, just brilliant. They've probably killed two birds with one stone: Spawn and I.

Of course, it's easy for me to see that: I know exactly how the wolves' conversation went last night: "If we kill Spawn, the village will do our job for us and kill Eomer tomorrow."

I am going to have to do one hell of a job to stay alive today.

Nevertheless, I must try.

Did anyone notice that Spawn did not answer my charge of hypocrisy against her? Why an innocent Spawn acted so weird is beyond me. I thought she was being malicious; apparently she was only misguided. I had every intention of bringing her down today because I was certain that the village would eventually come round to my side against Spawn.

Spawn's case against me was (I'll say it again) contrived, false, and based on hypocrisy, as she herself had been acting in a very similar way to me.

Why she had such support yesterday, from SPM, Mormegil and others, baffled me.

Have at it.

[Celuien]

Spawn's death looks like a delibrate framing of Eomer after their sparring for the past couple of days. It's not really something I would expect a wolf Eomer to do since it does automatically make him look really, really bad.

But I'm not going to discount him from consideration. It is entirely possible that a Wereomer would have killed Spawn because it is too obvious, expecting to be discounted from debate as a result.

Ugh. My head hurts. First I was completely wrong about Garin after being almost certain he was guilty, now I'm trying to work through bluffs and double bluffs. I think I need a nap.

EDIT: cross-posted with Eomer.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The brilliant thing, from the wolves point of view, is that I would be that bold; and they know it.

I'm going to give my predictions for who the wolves are tomorrow. Right now, I'm going to bed.

Oh, and if you want to lynch me then by all means, go ahead. But don't waste this day by jawing about how Eomer is obviously guilty or how Eomer was obviously framed. There are three wolves to find, and I expect you all to be professional. The village doesn't have a lot of time left (especially if the wolves' plan for today is a success).

[Boromir88]

It is Eomer always telling us that we disguard the obvious as "being too bold for a wolf...therefor that person is assumed innocent." It's pretty obvious that Eomer is looking pretty bad right now. So, is he framed or is it an extremely bold move?

I am more suspicious of Aiwendil and those running around in the background (Glirdan, Formendacil, Nilp= don't expect me to assume his innocence Sauce because of a cryptic message. The wolves clearly have an advantage, we lost our true seer, we haven't found a wolf yet, so why be bold and Eomer-wolf pull off a bluff? Yes, Eomer is definitely one (probably the biggest one here) that I think would pull off a bluff, but let's consider these circumstances:

1) They have our Seer.

2) Based on yesterday we have no clue who are wolves and who aren't.

Which leads me to think that the wolves are just leading us in circles and going after Spawn so we call on foul on Eomer. I don't see a reason why the wolves would feel like they need to bluff here, they have control, we are clueless, why bluff when they've been so successful leading us around getting no where?

With that out of the way, I'm not granting Eomer free passage of innocence:

1) It's Eomer he would do it.

2) Spawn may have been on to something with her Eomer convictions and knowing that he would look bad, this was a way to get us all to cry "too obvious for a wolf."

So suspects:

Aiwendil
tar-ancalime
Eomer

I will have more on Glirdan, Formendacil...etc the ones staying out of the messes, as there's been little or no talk on them. One thing I think the wolves want to do is limit talk for the day. Day 1 the seer fiasco, Day 3 the lmp mess, and today they want to make this an Eomer discussion...but by limitting ourselves into this tunnel-vision it gets us nowhere and tells us nothing. You see how discussion yesterday just totally was worthless because it was mostly based around lmp.

I do think there is something to find in the votes yesterday...now it's just finding it...and certainly we should all start taking a harder look at Glirdan, Formendacil, Kath (though she's stepped up her chirpiness), and Celuien.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, dancing spawn's death certainly puts Eomer squarely in the frame. Question is, is it a set up or does a Wolfish Eomer count on us thinking that it is? The interesting thing is that dancing spawn and Eomer both made fair points against each other, based on similar reasoning. Their argument, essentially, was that the other had been raising a lot of suspicions but not making many strong accusations. While the fact that Eomer was wrong about her does not negate spawn's case against him, it does suggest that such cases can be fallible. We need to consider what other evidence there may be to suggest that Eomer is a Wolf.

In the meantime, here is yesterday's voting record:

1. Garin for Boromir88 (Boromir88-1)
2. Mormegil for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-1)
3. Littlemanpoet for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-2)
4. Eomer of the Rohirrim for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-3)
5. Glirdan for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-4)
6. Tar-ancalime for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-5)

Littlemanpoet disappears and the votes agaist him are discounted

7. The Saucepan Man for Kath (Boromir88-1, Kath-1)
8. Celuin for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1)
9. Mormegil for Eomer (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-1)
10. Dancing spawn for Eomer (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-2)
11. Formendacil for Aiwendil (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
12. Aiwendil for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-2, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
13. Kath for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-3, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
14. Boromir88 for Aiwendil (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-3, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-2)
15. Eomer of the Rohirrim for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-4, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-2)

Did not vote: Farael, Nilpaurion Felagund

I hope that's right. Things got rather compoicated yesterday, with the whole lmp thing.

I am not surprised about Garin receiving the most votes, as he was a rather suspicious character. Nevertheless, as such, he was the obvious candidates for the Wolves to promote, once littlemanpoet was no longer around. Celuin was the first to give Garin a vote following his disappearance. Aiwendil's vote took him to joint leader. Kath put him ahead on 3 votes. Eomer took his total up to 4, although it is reasonable to assume that he was voting to save himself.

We should also bear in mind those who voted for littlemanpoet and did not then vote again: Glirdan and tar-ancalime. To an extent, I can understand why they did not, as I was in a bit of difficulty myself at that stage trying to work out who looked the most suspicious to me. But you must have had other suspicions.

Farael and Nilp have good excuses for not voting, although I still don't like it. We really need to find a Wolf today and we are only going to do that through discussion, so I would ask that all participate as fully as they are able. Morm's mind seems settled on Eomer, which troubles me as he reached that conclusion with practically no debate having taken place today. While Eomer certainly looks suspicious, we ought to at least consider before condemning him and, even if you are right, morm, we ought still to be considering who the other Wolves might be. My mistake yesterday was to centre all of my thinking around my belief that littlemanpoet was a Wolf.

[Formendacil]

Gads....

I'm still alive.

Pity, that means I have to think, and post, and live through another day of being both sick and misunderstood.

My only thought of the moment, leaping immediately to mind, is that Spawn's death DEFINITELY makes us look at Eomer. For good or ill, for our benefit or the Werewolves', after the stink those two made about each other, we're going to have to look very long and hard at Eomer. It would be a very characteristic bluff for him to draw the attention on himself. On the other hand, we may be expected think that way...

Hmm..... I wonder how Nilp's going to take this...

[tar-ancalime]

Eomer and Boromir are correct that our discussions have been much too singleminded thus far. To be fair, the fact that yesterday's posts were so heavily centered on lmp had a lot to do with him, but we've got to avoid falling into the same pattern again today.

In my opinion we need to hear a lot more from the following people today: Nilpaurion, Formendacil, Celuien, Glirdan. Also Kath, though as others have noted she did increase her posting by the end of yesterday. It's getting too dangerous for anyone to continue to get a free pass just for being quiet or busy...or even sick. Sorry, Formendacil, if that sounds cold, but after losing six Ordinary Villagers and a Gifted, it just isn't in our best interest to continue to soft-pedal anyone anymore. Formendacil is looking particularly worthy of investigation today, because as someone (mormegil, I think?) noted, he's been posting about his illness on this (lie-friendly) thread and not on the planning thread, where the truth is expected.

I am even beginning to wonder if all three wolves aren't "quiet ones." Have we all gotten so used to the bold/accommodating/quiet formula that we assume it and look for it? Imagine if our three wolves were Nilpaurion, Formendacil, and Glirdan. We'd never amass enough evidence on any of them, let alone see the connections among them. Could be that they are all simply behaving very quietly; could be that this is brilliant strategy. Let's not give them any more leeway.

[tar-ancalime]

Several people mentioned yesterday that lmp's death would give them "information" about other people.

lmp is dead.

What's your information? Please share it.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by mormegil

So then you are just willing to write him off?

This is folly!

No, I think it's either a very bold move or a very smart one. Either way, you know whom I want to see lynched above all others, but something tells me Aiwendil that if Aiwendil is indeed an inocent as he says, he won't be lynched until him being lynched, someone else attacked by night and then me being lynched the following morning will give the wolves a win.

What concerns me the most is that if the wolves were willing to set just about anyone up, why am I alive? kill me and Aiwendil is found in the same spot Eomer is right now... maybe even more so as I have been twice as agressive against him that Spawn against Eomer. Of course my arguments might have not been as good but I think Aiwendil would have been just as framed.

This makes me think about two possible scenarios.

1) Eomer is a wolf (the wolves didn't frame Aiwendil, why would they frame him?)
2) Aiwendil is a wolf (that's why he didn't kill me to frame... himself)

I am fairly certain that there ought to be a wolf in either of them two

[Farael]

Actually, I'm certain there is AT LEAST a wolf in them two.... there might even be two wolves

Now, I also forgot to adress tar-a's question...
Well, personally I was hoping LMP would be a wolf (which looked quite likely) and Aiwendil would have been implicated much more strongly.... LMP is not a wolf, but I still think Aiwendil is (stubborn, anyone? =P)

[Aiwendil]

The Play's the Thing . . . going on inside Aiwendil's brain

First synapse: Wow, Spawn's dead. Eomer must be a wolf!
Second synapse: Of course not; that would be way too obvious. It's a frame-up.
Third synapse: But it's too obvious to be a frame-up. And Eomer, knowing that it would look like a frame-up, could very well have done it!
Fourth synapse: But, knowing that everyone would come to that conclusion, the wolves might still have tried to frame him.
Fifth synapse: Yes, but knowing that, Eomer could still be a wolf.
Sixth synapse: Oh, give it up! You were dead wrong about LMP and Garin, so what makes you think you can untangle this mess?

Exeunt omnes

Well, that's the little drama that went on in my head a few minutes ago when I saw that Spawn had been killed. Obviously, we're all familiar with the whole frame-up/double bluff/triple bluff/etc. craziness that's going on here. So what's the point of my little play? Well, it's this. It seems to me that to try to disentangle the psychology of last NIGHT's kill is futile. Either Eomer did it or he's being framed. But beyond that, who can say? Either possibility seems equally plausible to me.

My point is that we shouldn't just stare at Spawn's dead body all day trying to divine who it was that killed her. We need to make a decision about Eomer, but that's not the way to do it. The way to do it is to look at Eomer and decide for ourselves whether he looks like a wolf. For my part, I'll be going back and reading carefully over all Eomer's posts. It's critical that we get this right. If Eomer's a wolf and we lynch him, we'll have scored our first victory. But if he's innocent and we lynch him, we'll be in very dire straits indeed.

I agree that it's important not to let the matter of Eomer prevent us from having any other discussion toDAY. But with both of those whom I chiefly suspected dead and innocent, I'm rather stuck. I need to review the past few DAYs' discussion. In particular, I'm looking at:

Tar-ancalime - I found her somewhat wolvish on DAY 1 but let her off the hook after that, due to my rising suspicion of LMP and Garin. But both of those suspicions were, obviously, way off. I will definitely be looking at Tar again today.

Kath - Could her recent verbosity be a wolf's response to charges that she was too quiet? Something to consider, anyway.

Farael - He went exclusively and ferociously after me until it was pointed out that this looked like a good tactic for a wolf. Then he proposed lynching LMP because, if LMP was guilty, then (by his logic), I probably was too. LMP wasn't guilty, but (surprise, surprise) Farael still wants to lynch me anyway.

Edit: Crossed with Farael

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

What's your information? Please share it.

Like Farael, the information that I hoped to gain was based on the assumption that lmp was a Wolf.

I have been reviewing past events and noticed that I didn't have an opportunity to answer this yesterday, having already left the village square for the evening.

Originally Posted by Kath

What? SPM? You ask me to talk more so I do, and while I don't wish to get overly defensive I put my own opinions in all through that summary.

In answer to SPM and Eomer's worries over my no vote though I would like to ask you a question. Would you rather that I came in at the end of Day 2 and made a snap decision on a vote (something which SMP at least has already said is a bad thing) or that I analysed what I had seen of Lhuna, deemed her innocent and decided not to vote as any that I made would have been random and of no use to anyone the next Day?

Well, as I have said, I was thrown into a lot of doubt yesterday, following the revelation that lmp was innocent. I had already formed the impression that your quietness made you look suspicious. I did see your long analysis of Day 1 before I voted. However, I thought that it came rather late in the day (or three days, I should say). And it seemed to me that you were mainly commenting on the opinions expressed by others rather than putting forward opinions yourself. And doing so on a post by post basis, rather than looking at patterns of behaviour over the three days. That always looks suspicious to me, as a Wolf can avoid saying anything which incriminates him/herself or his/her companions by commenting only on selected statements.

As for whether I would rather you made a snap decision to vote rather than taking your time, well, if the alternative is a no vote, then frankly yes I would. A no vote gives a Wolf a place to hide. I disliked Garin's snap vote because it was at the beginning, rather than the end, of the day. I disliked even more the fact that he was encouraging Formendacil to do the same.

I agree with others that the quiet ones merit consideration. Going into the fourth day, we have very little to go on with regard to Kath, Formendacil, Celuin, Glirdan and Nilp. Yes, you too Nilp. I am beginning to wonder whether I was rash to accept your sign. I hope that I was not.

One further point occurred to me as I reviewed the past days' events. Mormegil seems to have a knack for putting forward suspicions of, and voting for, the most likely candidates for lynching. On Day 1, he voted for Gil, who was certainly a likely candidate that day. On Day 2, he made out a strong case against littlemanpoet, but voted for Lhuna. Both were looking suspicious, and likely to gain votes, at the time (as indeed they did). And on Day 3, he made a strong case against Garin, littlemanpoet and Eomer, and voted for littlemanpoet (who would almost certainly have been lynched, but for his disappearance) and then for Eomer, another likely candidate to be lynched. And now today, he has come out strongly against Eomer. It is understandable, I suppose, that his main suspicions coincide with the most suspicious-looking villagers, but this tendency of his to pick the villager most likely to be lynched does make me rather uneasy.

[tar-ancalime]

from Farael:

Well, personally I was hoping LMP would be a wolf (which looked quite likely) and Aiwendil would have been implicated much more strongly.... LMP is not a wolf, but I still think Aiwendil is (stubborn, anyone? =P)

This is why I'm so strongly against lynching one person in order to "gain information" about another person. What Farael is essentially telling us is, "Yesterday I wanted to lynch lmp in order to gain information on Aiwendil. You see, if lmp was a wolf, then so was Aiwendil. If lmp was innocent, then Aiwendil was a wolf."

I've said it before and I'll say it again: vote for the person you suspect. This indirect stuff doesn't work. It decreases the clarity.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

This is why I'm so strongly against lynching one person in order to "gain information" about another person. What Farael is essentially telling us is, "Yesterday I wanted to lynch lmp in order to gain information on Aiwendil. You see, if lmp was a wolf, then so was Aiwendil. If lmp was innocent, then Aiwendil was a wolf."

I've said it before and I'll say it again: vote for the person you suspect. This indirect stuff doesn't work. It decreases the clarity.

I beg to differ tar-ancalime, I never said that I wanted to lynch LMP ONLY to gain information about Aiwendil.... I believe I said it yesterDay, that I was compromising my pursuit of Aiwendil to go after another suspect which in turn would give more information about my main suspect. It all stems from Aiwendil, but if I cant get to him as I tried in the beginning, I will get to him in another way.

[Celuien]

Getting organized here...

Those who are still living:
Saucepan Man
Farael
Mormegil
Aiwendil
Glirdan
Formendacil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kath
Celuien
Tar-Ancalime
Boromir88

The Pan Man has already kindly given the customary voting , which I've taked the liberty of reproducing here with proven innocents bolded:

1. Garin for Boromir88 (Boromir88-1)
2. Mormegil for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-1)
3. Littlemanpoet for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-2)
4. Eomer of the Rohirrim for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-3)
5. Glirdan for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-4)
6. Tar-ancalime for littlemanpoet (Boromir88-1, littlemanpoet-5)

Littlemanpoet disappears and the votes agaist him are discounted

7. The Saucepan Man for Kath (Boromir88-1, Kath-1)
8. CeluiEn for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1)
9. Mormegil for Eomer (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-1)
10. Dancing spawn for Eomer (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-2)
11. Formendacil for Aiwendil (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-1, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
12. Aiwendil for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-2, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
13. Kath for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-3, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-1)
14. Boromir88 for Aiwendil (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-3, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-2)
15. Eomer of the Rohirrim for Garin (Boromir88-1, Kath-1, Garin-4, Eomer-2, Aiwendil-2)

Did not vote: Farael, Nilpaurion Felagund

Now, it's my humble opinion that wolves aren't likely to lead off or finish a campaign against an innocent as it's a rather conspicuous position to be in after being proven wrong. More likely to hide out in the middle, save to spare their own furry necks. The exception to the decision making rule being in a long bandwagon when a vote for the same innocent everyone else is voting for doesn't stand out quite so much, a 4-2 margin not being any different from a 3-2 margin. By that reasoning, morm, and if I dare say it, your fountain-dwelling frog, look a bit less suspicious, despite our both being all wet with our wolf-detecting judgment (morm for lmp and my vote for Garin). Conversely, Kath and Eomer give very safe votes, with Eomer taking the safe route in both the initial vote for lmp and the subsequent Garin fiasco. So that would bring us down to...

Saucepan Man
Farael
Aiwendil
Glirdan
Formendacil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Kath
Tar-Ancalime
Boromir88

...as possibilities for today.

For my part, I find SpM trustworthy. Nor do I particularly suspect Aiwendil, Farael's case against him nonwithstanding. Tar-a seems innocent on the basis of her calls for clarity and her good analysis. Same goes for Boro, who I find myself believing in more and more as time goes by. Hopefully I haven't been fooled.

That leaves me to work with Farael, Glirdan, Formendacil, Nilp, Eomer and Kath.

If Eomer is a wolf, Farael most likely is not on the basis of post 342 (and vice-versa). Glirdy, Form, Nilp and Kath haven't really said enough to sway me in wither direction. Which leaves Eomer. Again.

I don't know what to do. Eomer is looking very bad, but at the same time, spawn's death was such an obvious move to set him up if he is innocent that I'm not completely comfortable with the Wereomer theory. Particularly given my dismal record in the past few days. Time permitting, I'll probably try to vote very late in this DAY, after I've had time to really consider everything, look at what everyone has said, and hopefully have a bit more information.

[Boromir88]

I may have to kind of redirect where I'm going. Before lmp pulled out he had 5 votes (one was his), I'm inclined to think one of those 4 other votes was a wolf (at the least). We all knew lmp would be lynched and after Garin's vote for me there was a big bandwagon gathering full steam against him. In order:

Mormegil
lmp
Eomer
Glirdan
Tar-ancalime

I'm not sure what to make of mormegil. He's consistently gone after the most suspicious and has been strong in attacking his suspects. I am willing to say though that the other 3 who voted for lmp look more wolfish then mormegil. Because after lmp makes his announcement that he wants out I'm sure at least one wolf would jump at the oppurtunity.

Which was why I was opposed to an lmp bandwagon yesterday. Yes, he wanted gone, but by the whole village (most of it) jumping on and voting for him it just lets the wolves hide amongst the entire village. So, I'm thinking that at least one wolf anxiously jumped at lmp's vote.

This goes to point more fingers at Eomer and build his suspicioun. But I think it also points strong fingers at Glirdan and tar, who I don't think showed prior suspicioun of lmp. Tar gave the reasoning of since lmp wanted out of the village she would be more than happy to ablige, because we don't need a villager that doesn't want to be a part of the village. I can understand that reasoning, and the most suspicious of the group looks to be Glirdan. Who backed down from his vote and followed along with Kath's reasoning from the prior day that he was confused.

I'm never a strong advocate for not voting, even if you have to vote more or less randomly. In Kath's instance she was gone all day and her seems more understandable. But I look at Glirdan pulling out his vote, there would still be plenty of time for him to find something, go to his next suspicious person, instead he just pulls out and says he won't vote randomly...this doesn't seem to fit right with me, because to me there was plenty of time left after lmp pulled out to re-evaluate and find another suspect.

So Glirdan jumping onto lmp, when lmp pulls out, Glirdan withdraws his vote, then his no vote goes to look like he doesn't want to get his hands in another mess.

So, Tar-ancalime, that's what I meant be being able to find something in the votes.

My feelings on Aiwendil are purely circumstantial. He has been providing some valuable input, and the "grayness" could be good in that he can access both sides instead of just being tunnel-visioned. But, that also looks suspicious as marked several times.

In no particulare order now:

Glirdan
Aiwendil
Eomer
Tar-ancalime

[mormegil]

I'm a bit frustrated at many of you right now, it seems that we are all saying that 'Eomer is worth watching' but most are not. Even any of you applied a modicum amount of the knowledge we posses of Eomer, then we would know that he could definately pull this off. I'm glad that I am at least willing to put myself on the line and proclaim my belief of his guilt. He seems to be smoother when more pressure is on him.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I'm going to give my predictions for who the wolves are tomorrow. Right now, I'm going to bed.

Why not now? You obviously have them and why not share? It could be of great benefit in knowing your guilt/innocence and yet you refuse to give our that info. Why? I don't like it.

Formendacil, until I see a post at town hall declaring your illness true and legitamate I will suspect you and may vote for you.

Tar-A I think is likely to be a wolf. She sneaked out of a dangerous situation on Day 1 and has been riding that wave since. I think it's time she got some more heat!

Originally Posted by SpM

One further point occurred to me as I reviewed the past days' events. Mormegil seems to have a knack for putting forward suspicions of, and voting for, the most likely candidates for lynching.

So I vote for those I put forward as suspicious...well I must be a wolf

[Aiwendil]

Well, I've just gone back and re-read most of the discussion (starting all the way back at DAY 1), with particular attention to those who seem the most interesting to me at the moment. For what it's worth, here are my thoughts.

I've been considering Eomer most thoroughly, for obvious reasons. I still don't get much of a sense of wolvishness from his posts. If it weren't for the fact of Dancing Spawn's death, I don't think I'd consider him a prime suspect at this point. Spawn's arguments are mainly concerned with the fact that Eomer has seemed hesitant to accuse people. She does have something of a point here. But this is rather shaky evidence upon which to lynch someone. Moreover, it seems to me that the same charge could be made against several other villagers (Kath, Celuien, Glirdan, and even Spawn herself prior to her attack on Eomer). He is somewhat defensive in response to Spawn's attack. Rather reminds me of LMP. I made the mistake of thinking that his apparent over-reaction to being accused looked wolvish. I don't want to make the same mistake twice.

But the thing that really has me leaning toward Eomer's innocence is actually the same thing that caused Spawn to suspect him. We all know that Eomer would be a bold wolf - so bold that there's a real possibility that he would, indeed, have killed Spawn. But if he's such a bold wolf, why would he more or less "play it safe" in terms of accusations? It strikes me that if Eomer were a wolf, he wouldn't be afraid to take a risk and accuse someone. His "playing it safe" - i.e., perhaps, playing it rationally - looks more like something he'd do if innocent.

Mind you, if he turns out to be a wolf I'm sure a few choice words will run through my mind . . .

As for the other people I've been looking at and/or have caught my eye:

Tar-ancalime - I'm increasingly thinking that my less informed DAY 1 opinion of her (i.e. that she's a wolf) was correct. After coming under some scrutiny early on, she's managed to avoid suspicion for the most part. Yet I still can't put my finger on what's making me so nervous about her.

Kath - The two times that she has actually voted, it's been for Gil and Garin - both fairly "safe". But what really worries me about her is her quietness, followed suddenly by long analyses (when people start to comment on the quietness). Not a top suspect yet, but I'd definitely like to hear more from her.

Farael - He's really starting to look like a wolf to me. Other than attacking me, the one thing he's really done is suggest that we lynch LMP (to get information about me, of course). Now, I also thought we should lynch LMP - but that's because I thought he was a wolf. I'm also not quite sure what "information" he thought he'd get. He decided that if LMP was a wolf, then I'm a wolf, and if LMP wasn't a wolf . . . then I'm a wolf. Farael, how about telling us what you think of the other villagers? Whom else do you suspect? Or am I all three wolves at once?

Formendacil - He still worries me a little bit. I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but only because there are others who concern me more.

[Farael]

Read above Aiwendil, I'm voicing some suspicions about Eomer. That's two wolves The third is probably one of the smart guys, but he (or she) can wait 'till we rid ourselves of you and Eomer... odd that now you are defending Eomer, don't you think? and on a bit of a crooked premise.

Wolf Eomer would be bold. Yet the Eomer we see in the village is not bold, therefore the wolf aspect of Eomer could not possibly be as bold as it'd be needed to kill Spawn?

Well, Aiwendil I beg to differ!! Isn't it quite convenient for a wolf to do so? appear one way, act another... heck, that's the definition of a werewolf! Appear innocent, be guilty... appear hesitant, act boldly... come on, you can do better than that to defend your fellow wolf, can't you?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Formendacil, until I see a post at town hall declaring your illness true and legitamate I will suspect you and may vote for you.

By all means, suspect me and vote for me- notice or no notice (although you have irked me into posting a notice, something I tend to disdain, being of the opinion that Real Life issues need not intrude on Werewolf). But to base suspicion of me on whether or not I am sick is silly...

Anyway, I am sick, and it's making me quite irritable. All this talk of "hearing more from the quiet ones". I ask you, when has it EVER produced a tangible increase in noise from the "quiet ones"?

Of course, I do appreciate the fact that you're rather feeling a lack of things to go by where "certain" quiet ones are concerned. However, continual harping about "needing to hear more" is something that you'd THINK would have died out after 17+ mainstream games of Werewolf. But no....

Now, things are very grim in this village. Other than our Seer, the Gifteds remain untouched, but the number of Innocents goes in only one direction: down. And the Werewolves have been touched not at all.

Therefore, let me make an announcement I was planning on saving for a little while, until a "Proven Innocent" could be more useful:

I AM THE FOOL.

That is correct, I am the Village Fool. And I defy any Werewolf to contradict me. And trust me, they won't, because so far this village seems to be clueless as to who the Werewolves are. Therefore, challenging my claim is tantamount to saying "I am a Werewolf".

Of course, it could mean that I'll be killed tonight... but so what? I'm not a real Gifted! I don't even have the foggiest idea who the Werewolves might be, and I'm not one of the Village Thinkers to figure it out on my own.

So, if I have nothing to offer fear to the Werewolves or help to the Village, why bother revealing myself?

To knock one name off that "possibly guilty" list.

Thank you, Eaumor, and Good Night.

[mormegil]

Well Formendacil, despite being ill I see that you are also a bit petulant. However I forgive you on the fact that you are ill. Incidentally thank you for 'dragging yourself across town' to let us know. You see the problem I was having though, if you weren't sick you could have been using it as cover to be quiet and therefore give no solid evidence. As it stands I am glad that you came forward when you did. Mounting suspicion against you will only cloud the judgement of our town. Now I believe you that you are innocent and this will benefit the village.

I think I may have a read through of all of tar-a's posts, though I'm beginning to think that perhaps Holby did dream of her and that they were frightened so the Seer kill was not luck.

[mormegil]

Post 6

A strange post. One thing that sticks out is here use of the double negative. Is it that I’ve assigned those to Mordor or a slip on her part? Either way I don’t like it.

No noose neither.

Post 10

Originally Posted by tar-ancalime

Nothing wrong with a good healthy dose of capitalism, eh, comrade?

Another odd thing that caught my attention. It could be a simple jab at socioeconomic systems or she could actually be so bold as to call Kath her comrade and italicize it.


Post 22


The ‘moratorium on seer talk’ post. The problem here is this that I can view this either way. Innocent, she is sincere and is hoping that the seers remain hidden; guilty and she is hoping to catch the seer soon and use this post to help show her innocence in the matter.

Post 35

She comes across as mild mannered and fairly agreeable. I noticed that she tries to identify herself somewhat with Lhuna. Also she states that she will suspect those that don’t agree with her. I find this an odd statement.

Post 36

Missed the last part of what Lhuna said and states really nothing new.

Post 44

This is the post where she takes issue with Dancing Spawn’s synopsis of events so far. She finds it suspicious that she has posted such a long post and said so little. Yet, in my mind, tar-ancalime was doing the exact same thing, except she posted shorter posts but very frequent and they hadn’t really added anything to help out, per se. She also says that she is done with seer talk and puts her little disclaimer in.

I’m not sure if I want to make too much of this statement but I do want to mention it.

We've got to focus on lynching a wolf tonight and creating a useful voting record

It’s the ‘tonight’ bit that bothers me. I live further west than most and it was 6AM so night time wasn’t near and I don’t believe it was across the pond either. It could be innocent yet it could be a slip up and she was thinking about her wolf strategy for the night. I’m inclined to think it means nothing but I did want to mention it.

Post 50

Changes suspicion off Spawn and ‘mostly random’ chooses Eomer to vote for. Says something like if you’re innocent I’d want you on my team, but if your guilty I’d rather be done with you before we get started. In my opinion, if he’s that strong a player and such an asset why randomly vote for him if you don’t have any real suspicion of him? He can be very useful if innocent (which I don’t’ see that he has been very useful yet…hmmm…) but killing Eomer if innocent would be a much graver mistake than killing an innocent Gil. This could be an early wolf on wolf vote as I am not convinced of Eomer’s innocence. Later she also is adamant about only voting for those who you suspect. I realize it's day 1 but be consistent.

Of note Aiwendil votes for her in Post 80. Also very damning is Holby’s vote for her in Post 92. I feel Holby may have dreamt of her and that she included Lhuna, with less substantial reasons (occupation) to help cover her tracks. However the wolves cued in on that and went in for the kill. Also Holby voted for her at a time when there was still a reasonable chance for her to get lynched. I could be wrong but Holby may have dreamt of tar-ancalime.

Post 124

Decides there is no reason to review Gil’s post and finds the Boromir bandwagon suspicious. Disagrees with Garin’s reasons for voting for Boromir. Suspects LMP and Garin due to their vote and is willing to assume that Formen and Anguirel’s votes were okay. Interesting to note that all four whom voted for Boromir on day 1 are innocent and she is going after two of them here.

Now, Boromir, I'm well aware that I'm coming under some scrutiny myself today, so I do apologize if anyone postulates an evil alliance between the two of us because of this post.

I find this interesting also. I just don’t see the need for it and it seems like a nervous wolf stating this.

Post 127

Was confused about the double lynching rule, which I admitted already I was too.

Post 129

Thanks SpM for pointing that out and states that she is still confused about the Boromir bandwagon.

Post 141

She responds to Boromir’s suspicion of her quote that I put just above and quotes Garin as her reason to supply this.


Post 161

Gets a bit uppity about somebody saying that she is flip-flopping on her position.

Her calm response that she had done it largely to gather her own thoughts (she didn't ignore me, nor did she get defensive), added to the fact that no one else seemed to have a problem with her post, led me to relax my stance.

I could, again, be twisting this but it seems to me that she is saying ‘well nobody was biting on my bait to get Spawn lynched so I let it be’. Wolfish in my mind.

Post 172

Says that she’s not suspicious of any of the day’s leader on the suspicion chart except Garin and proceeds to vote for him.

Of note Anguirel speaks against tar-ancalime in Post 173 and distrusts all post like her 172. Anguirel dies that night. Holby doesn’t’ agree with her and ends up dead. Anguirel doesn’t agree with her and he ends up dead which brings us back to her earlier quote that essentially she doesn’t like people ever disagreeing with her.


Post 234

This is her first post of the day and she quickly points out that she doesn’t believe it points to anybody, whereas I believe I’ve just shown that it could. This alone raises my suspicion of her immensely.

Post 237

Agrees with Kath that Formendacil’s vote shouldn’t be rushed as was suggested by Garin.

Post 244

Farael's accusations are either based on a refusal to understand Aiwendil's sometimes subtle reasoning and willingness to consider several viewpoints and shades of gray (which style, as I have found to my own detriment, can be taken as a refusal to commit to one line of thinking), or they are totally unfounded

So she is saying that she refuses to commit to only one line of thinking and yet Anguirel pointed out that she did do that in relation to Garin and this is why he didn’t trust her. She refused to consider the others and said that there is only one or two possibilities.

She also says that the Eomer—Spawn feud is a bit ‘contrived’ and she pushes more of the blame for this on Spawn. Now we know Spawn is innocent so it would be reasonable for tar-a to cast some suspicion onto Eomer and yet give the greater portion to Spawn.

Accuses me of flying under the radar.

States her suspects and says that Garin and LMP are the highest.

Post 247

Doesn’t fully agree with Farael that killing LMP might be a good idea but we really should look at those who aren’t contributing and would provide some useful information upon their death.

Post 258

Finds it disconcerting that Boromir and LMP suddenly don’t suspect each other. As LMP is innocent and I find no real suspicion in Boromir I don’t find their sudden change disconcerting at all. I do find it disconcerting that you seem to be testing the water for any takers to your bait again.

Post 261

Comments on Nilp’s sign.

Post 285

Votes for LMP as he doesn’t want to be here anyway so we might as well get rid of him.

Post 289

Forgoes changing her vote because she doesn’t want to make it uninformed citing Kath’s previous example. It’s interesting though that she had some strong thoughts on Garin and yet didn’t vote for him when she could have.

Post 340

She says we got too bogged down in LMP talk yesterday and suggests that all wolves might be quiet ones. Takes notice of my observation that Formendacil hadn’t officially noted his illness and therefore it could be a ploy.

Post 341

Says that many stated that LMP’s death would give information and she requested what information we gleaned from his death.

Post 346

Complains about killing LMP for information and that we should vote for those whom we really suspect and yet she didn’t vote for Garin when she had the chance yesterday.


END OF POSTS

So where does this leave me? I am still very suspicious of tar-ancalime and feel that she may be a wolf but I am not fully convinced at least not enough to vote for her yet. However, Eomer and she are most likely to receive my vote and unless light is shed upon somebody else don’t’ be surprised to see a vote their way.

Upon rereading my analysis I came to the realization of just how non-commital and safe she has been. She almost refuses to come out and openly accuse anybody and is usually taking the safe path. I find these two ponits very critical in my opinion and therefore I believe my vote most likely will go to tar-ancalime.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Thank you for not counting me out of this. I was thinking of telling spawn to tell Shelob to pull me out because of certain problems in this country.

Good thing I didn't. I managed to make it in.

Enedwaith, I'll be reviewing toDAY, and I'll be posting some thoughts later. I promised to make up for my disappearance DAY 3, and I will.

Good day.

[tar-ancalime]

It’s the ‘tonight’ bit that bothers me. I live further west than most and it was 6AM so night time wasn’t near and I don’t believe it was across the pond either.

morm, like Formendacil I hate to clutter this thread with non-game information, but I live in Bangkok.

You seem to have latched on to every joke I've made--my in-character grammatical error made for the sake of alliteration ("no noose neither"). My use of "comrade" was a total joke, based on Kath's complaining about people making money off a tragedy. And my statement about suspecting people who disagree with me was completely tongue-in-cheek. I guess I'll be a little more careful about using humor from now on.

Holby did not dream of me. This has been suggested before. If she had dreamed of me she would not have voted for me. I'll say it again. Holby did not dream of me.

I did make a mistake not voting for Garin yesterday. However, imagine if I had: that would look wolvish to you as well, wouldn't it?

I disagree that I've been playing "safe." I have made several suggestions; no one has agreed with me, and so I've been accused of backing off. I'm not backing off any of them; however, I"m not pursuing anything with the singleminded zeal of Farael (for instance), so I can see how my method of throwing out ideas could be perceived as a little fickle. Rest assured, though, that I haven't posted a single thing I didn't believe.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I don't see a reason why the wolves would feel like they need to bluff here, they have control, we are clueless, why bluff when they've been so successful leading us around getting no where? (Boro)

I'm a bit frustrated at many of you right now, it seems that we are all saying that 'Eomer is worth watching' but most are not. Even any of you applied a modicum amount of the knowledge we posses of Eomer, then we would know that he could definately pull this off. I'm glad that I am at least willing to put myself on the line and proclaim my belief of his guilt. He seems to be smoother when more pressure is on him. (morm)

Okay, here's what I think. If Eomer's a Werewolf, Boro's 'defence' of him will make him look fanged. If Eomer isn't, morm's persistence in running the case against him makes him look fanged.

The problem is, to determine Eomer's guilt or innocence, we have to lynch him. I'm more inclined to agree with Boro here. The Werewolves are controlling the village. They feed us a bit of bait, and we follow around like a school of tuna. This trend has to be stopped.

But I think Eomer's quite suspicious. And, perhaps a wolf-Boro is using his theory to lead us away from their fellow, thus reinforcing their belief that Eaumor is indeed theirs.

Ah, that was but a ramble. More thoughts later.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I've been looking at the Eomer affair from another angle. [If Eomer be a Werewolf: ]Since Eomer saw that everyone's suspicion was heading for him, don't you think he might have pulled off this bluff to exculpate him?

In which case, Boro would look bad (see above post).

Despite the nagging doubt that the Werewolves are playing us for fools, this thought is gaining reason in my head.

*shrug* Oh, well. I can do no more toDAY. I'm on borrowed time.

++Eomer of the Rohirrim

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I feel stupid.