Tol-in-Gaurhoth IV (The Saga, erm, Still Continues...)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

On DAY 1, there were five villagers who attracted votes. One is now dead. So there were four obvious suspects in the village at the start of the day. Why on Middle-earth would a wolf-Eomer (who already had adversaries in Fea, who voted for him, and littlemanpoet, and likely the rest of the village angry with me for killing the Guardian) why would this wolf-Eomer then go all out to lynch the phantom and Saurreg? It's not because of any 'special powers'; I think I have pretty good reasons.

Phantom, whether you like it or not, you will not last long. What I hope is that we lynch you tonight and get to burn your foul werewolf carcass. This seems pretty unlikely because most villagers think you are innocent. The werewolves are likely to go after you in the night if you are innocent. Regardless of what happens, suspicion over you will not rest and the villagers will lynch you in the next couple of days. I'm sorry, but you brought it on yourself with this plan of yours.

You accuse Werewolf-Eomer of thinking the phantom and Saurreg to be the Shirrifs. This is a straightforward role-reversal of my actual opinion that you are both werewolves, because you are labelling me as a werewolf and thus a werewolf must think you two are Shirrifs (apologies for the awful wording). This does not make sense. I came to separate conclusions that you are different werewolves, and the little correspondence between you two simply sweetened the deal. If I know that you are both innocent, it is utterly ridiculous for Werewolf-Eomer to assume that you two are the Shirrifs because of that one tiny comment. That's lazy reasoning from you, and frankly I would expect better from an innocent villager.

This is how the phantom chose to avoid suspicion over Azaelia's death: I would have made a better kill and you know it Eomer. Um....actually I don't know it. What would constitute a better kill? Apart from you phantom, I see no better kills in this village. There are a couple who were safe and many who were options for the snarling beasts. You accuse me of killing Azaelia? Well, I can offer no real defence. It certainly fits together. Just like it would fit in the plans of every other villager. So I'm not going to offer a half-baked defence because there is none. Oh, apart from 'I didn't do it'. But what's the point in saying that?

'Azaelia was extremely unlikely to be gifted' - Ok, but who else was? Except you, of course, phantom.

You seem to think that you are being set up phantom. Well, I can tell you a little story about someone who is being set up. A certain sea-faring rapscallion who finds himself being mercilessly attacked by the wolves, simply because he spotted a mistake. How clever of you to get the I'm being set up! chant going before anyone else, phantom. What better way to gain sympathy? It disgusts me. The person who is crying about set ups is the very one who knows their ins and outs better than any other. The phantom is very clever but that will not save him. Not in the end.

As for Saurreg, his defence does not satisfy. Even if he did think that voting hours would be extended, he did say that he probably wouldn't need to vote. His contribution smacked of a 'Well, goodnight! Try to sleep well' No indication that he would come back to vote later on. No suspects really mentioned and no proper defences offered.

And just notice the desparate wolves helping each other out. I know the phantom's next move, the one he makes when my striking corpse is floating in the sea; he will turn on his wolf ally. Or would have done had I not guessed this. O no, you two are in it deep now.

Whichever one you want to choose my friends. It seems like I will attract more votes but so be it. The phantom and Saurreg are two of our werewolves, that is my guess. If you decide to kill me then I won't be (too) angry. After all, the wolves are deviously tricky. But when my innocent body is there for you all to cry over, remember my words.

I'll be back to vote later; whichever one, the phantom or Saurreg, offers me the best chance of staying alive I will choose, though I fully expect to be leading the way. It's two wolves against one innocent. The odds are not in my favour.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If he is neither gifted nor werewolf, the phantom suggests that he should be immune from volunteering for the plan - because he acts as a suspect. The werewolves will always wonder whether he is gifted, probably go for him, and lo and behold! it was a ploy and they have murdered the innocent and ungifted phantom.

What's the point in this, when no-one was voting until late on DAY 1? I think the phantom made the second or third vote (could be wrong, it was something like that). The only previous vote was Lalaith's apparent shot in the dark towards Kath.

You might as well have offered yourself up, ol' boy. It wasn't as if the rest of us had more pressing choices.

And before anyone points it out again; yes, there is a good chance that the phantom is a gifted villager. There is also a good chance that he is a werewolf, certainly more so than practically every other villager.

I'll point this out again too: the phantom, if innocent, will not last long. Yes phantom, this is a very convenient thing for Werewolf-Eomer to say. It's also convenient for every innocent villager to notice this. I realise that you have a reputation for being clever. You may well be the cleverest one among us. However, the rest of the village should not diminish and should not be encouraged to. Villagers should never be immune because of their intelligence.

[Evisse the Blue]

The thing I am the most certain of is that everyone was up for grabs by the wererwolves tonight. Including the phantom. He himself predicted this. Why wasn't he killed? For the werewolves, even if they reached the conclusion the phantom is not gifted, he would still be viewed as an important asset to the villagers. His reasoning is logical, and most of us have the tendency to follow his lead, don't we? Even if we start by arguing against him, we're not likely to hold that position for long, right, Fea?

The reason he gave for him not getting killed (that he was going to be lynched the next day) does not sit well with me. Why would the werewolves risk a certain murder over an uncertain lynching? Because no one can predict for certain who will be lynched the next day, whether they're villagers or werewolves, nor can they predict the general way the accusations will be headed the next day. Unless of course, the werewolves are loudmouths whose aim is to lead the crowd towards voting for a certain someone.

So, if Eomer is a werewolf, he would have to gain support from people who would be as certain of the phantom's guilt as he is. But I don't really see this happening and the deadline is fast approaching. In fact, all is see is people as uncertain of the phantom's innocence as I am. I tend to see more people leaning towards Eomer being guilty, which will make it more certain that he gets lynched than the phantom.

Now, a big part of me tends to think they are both innocent, with nothing but a subjective feeling to support this.

Anyway, I will not vote for either of them. I will vote for ++ Lalaith which is more of a strategical vote than a 100 % suspicion and hope more people will come to vote. Still half an hour to go and some of you promised they'd be here.

EDIT: Oh God, y'all should lynch me for being dumb. I should check Celuien's link to time zones, because apparently it's much earlier than I thought....there's plenty of time to go still...*curses poor time orientation* Well, anyway, my vote and reasoning are not affected by this minor (though dumb! ) oversight.

[Celuien]

Well now, there have certainly been lots of developments...

Saurreg suspects Eomer (voted) and Firefoot.

the phantom says Saurreg is innocent and vice versa. The phantom also thinks that:

1) Eomer is a wolf who picked Azaelia to set him up, or
2) There's a Firefoot, Oddwen and Fea lupine triumvirate if my theory that Azaelia was killed to make Oddwen/Saurreg look innocent is correct. He thinks this is less probable than the Eomer theory.

Eomer suspects the phantom and Saurreg very strongly. Entirely understandable if he's innocent since they've come out equally strongly against him.

Fea's suspect list consists of the phantom, dancing spawn, Eomer and LMP. Her vote today is going to LMP. I see no particular reason to suspect dancing spawn or LMP since they wouldn't have accomplished much by killing Azaelia and Azaelia's death is the only concrete evidence of wolvish thinking that we have right now.

I honestly believe that lynching Eomer is a mistake. The only evidence against him is the now notorious slip from day 1 and the phantom's theory that he is involved in a frame-up connected to the death of Azaelia. But Azaelia's death didn't particularly cast suspicion on the phantom more than it could have been used against anyone else.

I don't particularly think that the phantom is a wolf either. The wolves wouldn't pick him simply because he generates so much controversy, whether he looks suspicious or not, that it's easy for them to hide in the background.

Which leaves me with the problem of fitting a pattern to this madness. I haven't discounted the possibility that the wolves' pick last night was as random as our choices yesterday and that they are howling with glee at our attempts to fit their actions into a masterful plan. I'm going to have to make my choice soon and I have quite a dilemma in that none of the current leaders in the vote count strikes me as a furry beast. My selection of Oddwen yesterday was more or less a blind stab, although her guilt does fit in nicely with theory above. The vote is going to have to be one that gives us information. If Eomer is innocent, my attention will go directly to the phantom, Saurreg and Firefoot. If he turns out to be a wolf, I'll be absolutely certain of Saurreg's innocence - although I'm not as suspicious of him now as I was earlier, I'm also not 100% convinced that I shouldn't vote for him. What a tangle.

Incidentally, I'm no werewolf mastermind. Somehow, I have a sinking feeling that I'm going to be someone's midnight snack.

[Anguirel]

I have heard the charges of the pursuants, the legatees, the apologists and the prosecution as lain down in the minutes kept in the Village Hall.

I shall begin with a question: if a man is killed by another man, and not by a ravening beast, is his killer not still a murderer, and should he not still be punished? Should we allow the wolves of Tol-in-Gaurhoth to corrode our justice system, our ancient laws, bonds, and rights, our morality, in its entirety? Or should we fight for them?

I maintain that we should; and that the phantom's scheme of "voluntary lynching" was nothing less than an intimation to murder or suicide, which goes against all the tenets of man and of Eru. Whether or not moonlight reveals hair on the phantom's palms, then, he deserves punishment! But for myself, I am inclined to believe that fur does coruscate about him when the lunatic light shines. Our honest and eloquent sailor Eomer has acquitted himself well in words as he has no doubt previously done at the cutlass's edge. Besides, the healer's high estimate of his own worth thoroughly deserves a little humbling. No true officer of the law or visionary of light would show such swollen bombast.

As for the wet-nurse Lalaith, I am fairly convinced of her innocence; she was caught in mischance, terrible fate, that cast our poor Ranger from Arda. More may be found hereafter; and truly, tales have been told of she-wolves suckling bairns; but for the moment; I clear her. Next!

Nilpaurion Felagund. If a Werewolf, he is a debonair one. However, so far only his own, somewhat colourful confession points at him...and I would argue it points for him.

And the furrier, Saurreg...this is an unfortunate man or a sly creature. If he is guilty, the phantom is further implicated; but to use him as a touchstone would be grossly unfair, seeing as he is snared in his defence of his fellow villager. I believe the healer is likely to be backed up elsewhere, whereas if the furrier is a foe, the healer is almost assuredly alongside him. the phantom is thus the shrewder target.

I shall, therefore, vote that ++the phantom (hereinafter called "the condemned") be hanged by the neck until he is dead. The law has spoken.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A vote for Lalaith? Now that's interesting....

When I am dead all suspicion will turn towards the phantom. He will point out that I had no real knowledge and thus my opinions are not valid.

But...

I hope I have been able to show that the phantom's death is inevitable and that his lynching will not be much worse than his death by werewolf.

the phantom is a dead man walking. We might as well choose him now. I don't think he is the Seer as the Seer probably would not claim the limelight right at the start of the game. I can't see any reason to vote for Lalaith. Unfortunately, I can see a reason in voting for me. The phantom is clever, and he has brilliantly attacked me with everything he has. He is scared. You can all see that.

At least my death will not be in vain.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Just saw Anguirel's vote: there is a chance.

++ THE PHANTOM

There is my vote.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Fea

she (spawn) hadn't posted very often. Thrice, to be exact. She made comments on what was going on, and she made certain that she was actually there, but at the same time, she was not contributing personal opinions. That makes me nervous.

As odd as it may sound I don't have time to hang online 24/7. I post when I'm available to post and that's it. I make comments about what's going on simply to clarify my own thoughts. While you "loudmouths" fill pages with your quarrel, I want to sum up what I feel is essential.

I'm more comfortable around loudmouths

Yeah, yeah, birds of the same feather flock together


And here are some "personal opinions" for you all.

Azaelia opposed phantom's plan (post #60). She said that she doesn't think that tp's a werewolf, though. Later Azaelia said that "you (phantom) seem to be suspicious of me".
Wether Azaelia's death is a frame up for turning us against phantom (as many of you have mentioned) or then somebody's double bluffing... who? -I haven't figured that out yet but somehow I don't find phantom very suspicious.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Celuien, spawn, Esgallhugwen, Evisse, Firefoot, Lalaith and Hookbill seem to have succeeded in turning the focus away from themselves. Hmmm . . .

I don't know about the others but in my case this is as it should be. Sure the focus should be on the wolves rather than innocent villagers. Of course, if you lynch me then we can as well follow phantom's plan.

I'm not as suspicious of Saurreg as I was earlier. Somehow I sympathize with his deadline confusion.

EDIT: Could I possibly be any slower writer?!

EDIT2:

Here are the votes thus far (hope I didn't miss anyone):
Fea: lmp
Nilp: Oddwen
Saurreg: Eomer
Hookbill: Eomer
Anguirel: phantom
Eomer: phantom
Evisse: Lalaith

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Evisse voted for Lalaith.

[Celuien]

Current vote count: Eomer and Phantom tied at two votes each, one for Oddwen and one for lmp.

At this point, it looks like either Eomer or Phantom will be the victim today. Neither option appeals to me, but I don't think anyone else is going to garner enough votes for a lynching. I've decided against voting for Saurreg today because even though I'm not totally satisified with his defense, I'm no longer certain enough to cast my vote. Even if I did vote for him, I don't think the rest of the village would go along.

Nilp's repeated confessions look like he's following through with my idea that a wolf could use volunteering as a method of hiding out in the open. Unfortunately, I don't see enough evidence to vote for him either.

I'd also like to point out that Oddwen is going to have to stop in on the debate soon or face becoming our automatic lynchee. I hope that she comes - this silence is making me very uneasy. I can't decide if her non-appearance to due to RL, or a wolf strategy. If Oddwen is a wolf, she could be avoiding the proceedings to prevent our gathering enough suspicion to want to vote for her and then stepping in at the last minute to prevent the automatic clause from coming into effect. Last minute votes could also be a useful strategy to cause tied votes or to rescue a wolf.

I think I've made up my mind. Oddwen has made me uneasy enough by silence to bring back my suspicions from yesterday. I really, really do not want to vote for Eomer or Phantom. My other suspect, Saurreg, is probably not going to be lynched even if I do vote for him, nor would his death as a wolf give me very much information. There is a chance that since Oddwen has a vote from Nilp that we can lynch her today. Even if she's innocent,voting for her could avert a double-lynching of an innocent if she doesn't come in before the deadline. And I want to test my theory on [a]Azaelia's[/b] death. FIanlly, if she is a wolf, I'll really be wondering about Nilp on the basis of separting himself from Oddwen by his vote and the repeated confessions.

++ODDWEN (hoping this doesn't become a tie).

EDIT: just saw spawn's edit for the vote count. I'm such a slow typer...

[the phantom]

Well- no matter who gets lynched today, this will definitely go down as one of the most fascinating/entertaining rounds of voting ever.

One thing that I am wondering about- why did Fea vote for lmp over Eomer? She voted for Eomer yesterday so why didn't she do it again?

Perhaps she only voted for him on day one because she knew that he was waiting to break the tie with his vote and that he would not actually die. In other words, it was an opportunity for a wolf to vote for another wolf when the voting still appeared to be "undecided".

Where as today, Fea thought that her vote might actually end up tipping the scales, so she picked a third person to vote for rather than her wolf friend or his primary opponent.

Not that all that's necessarily true. Just a theory.

If I know that you are both innocent, it is utterly ridiculous for Werewolf-Eomer to assume that you two are the Shirrifs because of that one tiny comment.

Why? Wouldn't that be exaxctly the way the Sheriffs would point to themselves?

And just notice the desparate wolves helping each other out. I know the phantom's next move, the one he makes when my striking corpse is floating in the sea; he will turn on his wolf ally.

First, I am not a wolf.

Second, I am not planning on turning on Saurreg.

You might as well have offered yourself up, ol' boy.

I have offered myself up somewhat- but to the wolves! Not to the village as a lynching suspect!

I'll point this out again too: the phantom, if innocent, will not last long.

Wrong. If I am right about you then I will likely die tonight, that is true, but if I am wrong about you then there is no way the wolves will kill me tonight since they will know that the village will be ready to lynch me the following day.

And before anyone points it out again; yes, there is a good chance that the phantom is a gifted villager.

I think you are saying that to cover yourself.

You are hoping I am gifted and then when I turn out to be you will say "Hey, guys, don't blame me- I did say I was worried he might be a gifted villager, after all. Sorry 'bout that, phantom."

I maintain that we should; and that the phantom's scheme of "voluntary lynching" was nothing less than an intimation to murder or suicide

For a man of the law you don't have a very good head for such things.

I seem to recall a story of one who was without sin who offered himself up for the good of the people.

Did he sin in doing so?

No, that was heroism.

I was asking someone to be a hero, yesterday.

And as you can see from the lynching yesterday in which we killed our valuable ranger, the villagers should have adopted my plan.

I shall, therefore, vote that ++the phantom (hereinafter called "the condemned") be hanged by the neck until he is dead. The law has spoken.

What a pity that "the law" is so very wrong.

And now there appears to be a three way tie between Eomer, Oddwen, and our arrogant healer.

This is not exactly what I expected.

At least more votes are getting cast this time. We will certainly have more to examine tomorrow than we did today.

If you are innocent, Eomer, then sorry but it was just your bad fortune that you went after me today. Since last night I have had it in my head that the wolves would only leave me alive if they were going to try and lynch me today, and you stepped right into my prediction, so I hope you don't blame me.

Either you are a wolf or you just have awful timing.

But you shouldn't have been going after me in the first place. There is a very obvious reason why, and I am sure that at least a couple of my fellow villagers have spotted it.

Are you unlucky- or are you a wolf?

I suggest that we find out.

+ + Eomer

[Firefoot]

I seem to have attracted a lot of suspicion while I've been asleep, from Saurreg in particular. I must say that this feels very much like a knee-jerk reaction. Whereas phantom's arguments actually are based on such knowledge as we have, Saurreg's tend to follow this pattern:

Someone else has already pointed out that footie voted for me the last round and am leaning towards me again. She herself admitted that she only voted for me because they was no obvious target at all- a stab in the dark if you like and all because of my post last night (which I have explained myself). Now even before I have posted for this round, she has already chosen to make me her target. I do not know why she would do so even though many of the villagers have not even posted yet. Sounds pretty vindictive to me.

For one thing, did you read my last post? I stated pretty implicitly that I was not leaning towards anyone at the moment, and in an earlier post I said that I wanted to hear what you (and some others) wanted to say before passing judgment. Yes, I find myself suspicious of you, and you are doing nothing to dispel those suspicions (though I do accept your reason for not voting yesterday. My suspicions are no longer based on that). However, you are not my 'target.' I seem to be yours, though, for the mere reason that I voted for and "passed judgment" on you. And, please, don't call me "footie." Nothing against you, there, just commenting.

I am still uneasy with all this voting for Eomer and phantom, for similar reasons as Celuien stated:

I honestly believe that lynching Eomer is a mistake. The only evidence against him is the now notorious slip from day 1 and the phantom's theory that he is involved in a frame-up connected to the death of Azaelia. But Azaelia's death didn't particularly cast suspicion on the phantom more than it could have been used against anyone else.

I don't particularly think that the phantom is a wolf either. The wolves wouldn't pick him simply because he generates so much controversy, whether he looks suspicious or not, that it's easy for them to hide in the background.

So, that being said, I will cast my vote for ++ODDWEN. I think she is more likely to be a wolf than either Eomer or phantom.

[Saurreg]

Friend Phantom remains true! How can anyone doubt his innocence (or even mine)? Forgive me if I'm wrong but if he was a cunning and scheming werewolf, would he have remained steadfast and honorable to the very end? Sticking to his point of view? He would have done exactly what Eomer has predicted and waited to the very end to point a finger at me. But here he is, marking up and confirming his choice even when any shift in balance might happen.

There are fifteen villagers left and seven voted before Phantom cast his. With the odds increasingly stacked against him, why would he not have waited until the next seven votes are cast or when the dateline is reached before making a gambit to save his own skin?

*points at Eomer*

False charlatan! Thy doom is near!

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Oooh, its hoting up! It seems, at time of writing, to be a three-way tie, Eomer, Phantom and Oddwen. That's odd *groan*, the case against Oddwen is interesting, although I am less suspicious at the moment, this could grow depending on how today's votes go. I'll be watching carefully.

Just to update spawn's list; this is how it stands...

Fea: lmp
Nilp: Oddwen
Saurreg: Eomer
Hookbill: Eomer
Anguirel: phantom
Eomer: phantom
Evisse: Lalaith
Celuien: Oddwen
the phantom: Eomer
Firefoot: Oddwen

Leading (or losing?) people:
Eomer (3 votes)
Oddwen (3 Votes)
Phantom(2 Votes)
LMP (1 vote)
Lalaith (1 Vote)

As the returning officer I... er... sorry, wrong poles.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

In answer to Saurreg's question, the phantom really wants me out of this game. He also thinks it likely that, out of the remaining villagers, more will vote for I than Oddwen. And this attack on Oddwen seems mightily strange to me. Don't be surprised that the phantom voted for me, even though there be a couple of hours left.

I think finding the Shirriffs will be much harder than finding the wolves. We all give each other nice little comments here and there.

Also phantom, I am not wrong about your status as dead man walking. If the werewolves don't kill you tonite because they think the villagers will lynch you tomorrow.........then the villagers will lynch you tomorrow and you will be dead.

Ladies and gentlemen, the phantom will not last many more days. He will die soon. He is more likely to be a werewolf than any other villager. He is also more likely to be a gifted villager than any other villager. It's worth taking the chance, especially because Death is on his doorstep anyway.

Also, the phantom is utterly correct in saying that I am inserting a get-out clause in my contract. I do think there is a good chance he is a gifted villager. But I hope that everyone can see that his death is inevitable, and the sooner it happens the sooner this confusion shall be cleared.

I'll say right now that I won't be sorry if he turns out to be innocent. He himself has given everyone reasons to be suspicious of him. He is the most sensible choice to lynch. It's not like Kath, who did not really offer any good reason for us to lynch her, and for whom I feel terribly sorry.


Sorry for yammering on and on. I do agree with the phantom on this: that today's voting and debate has been extraordinarily fun and frantic. I just hope it proves useful in the end.

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

In answer to Saurreg's question, the phantom really wants me out of this game. He also thinks it likely that, out of the remaining villagers, more will vote for I than Oddwen. And this attack on Oddwen seems mightily strange to me. Don't be surprised that the phantom voted for me, even though there be a couple of hours left.

Well, as I said, the main reason I voted for Oddwen is that I don't think you're a werewolf and am also unsure about Phantom. Plus, she's a prime candidate for an automatic lynching right now and I'd rather vote for an innocent (if she is innocent, which I'm not sure of) who's out anyway for not saying much than a possible innocent who has a chance to stay in, if you follow me. One lynching is better than two from the villager's population advantage standpoint.

[Oddwen]

A-ha! So a body's only able to make one post and you're afraid of her? Hmph.

To clarify my last (and only) statement, I merely meant that the phantom's plan didn't have a following and was not likely to be picked up on that day, and I was wondering if it could be implemented later and if it would be profitable for the villagers.

I can't decide if her non-appearance to due to RL, or a wolf strategy.

RL, my dear Celly, unfortunate RL.

I also find your "stab-in-the-dark" theory suspicious.

And Lé Hookbill -

although I am less suspicious at the moment, this could grow depending on how today's votes go

So...you're most suspicious of the people who get the most votes?

And oooh, Zali's death may have been perpetrated by dumb wolves...that can only mean...hang the village idiot!


And something else. Firefoot was concerned about Nilp's vastly different timezone, and Nilp was grateful. Was Ff perhaps concerned because Nilp has had trouble participating in Werewolfery Counsel? Though that could mean that they are the Sherriffs.
Hmmmmmmmmm. Perhaps Nilp only volunteered yesterday because he knew that the Phantom's plan wouldn't go, and Nilp would sound like the "hero". Wouldn't you just loooooooove to be the hero, Nilpsie?
His insistence could be true...though would Adam and Alice give him any peace if he was telling the truth?


And Saurreg's last post seems to point that he and the Phantom are in cahoots...on whose side, I don't know. That's how it seems to me, don't hurt me Phantom *whimper*

Edit just saw Celuien's post: So...you're wasting a vote on someone who you think will be killed anyway? I find the attack against me indeed strange, and thee unsettling.

++CELUIEN

[Saurreg]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

In answer to Saurreg's question, the phantom really wants me out of this game. He also thinks it likely that, out of the remaining villagers, more will vote for I than Oddwen. And this attack on Oddwen seems mightily strange to me. Don't be surprised that the phantom voted for me, even though there be a couple of hours left.

Presumption is dangerous and I do not think it is The Phantom's way. Not especially when there were seven to be made. I doubt anyone here would want gamble on such odds.

If you garner more votes then that is because you have made yourself too great a suspect to be ignored.

I also question the rationale behind Oddwen's votes (i.e votes against her). In her post she pointed out that the Phantom's plan had both an advantage and also a flaw. She then questioned if the method could also be adopted for latter stages.

Interesting.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

So...you're most suspicious of the people who get the most votes?

No, what I meant was which way you voted. If you'd voted Eomer or phantom, I'd be a little less suspicious... but now seeing who you did vote for, my whole theories of who is a wear-wolf and who isn't has been a little shaken. So if you are a w-w, I take my hat off to you.

[Oddwen]

Originally Posted by Me

I also find your "stab-in-the-dark" theory suspicious.

What I meant was that I found your "stab-in-the-dark" against me yesterday rather suspicious - if you were an unwiser wolf you doubtless would have gone for Ang or Esgall who were no-shows yesterday, but you went for a side-show instead. Your insistence upon me today seems to point towards wanting folks to think that you don't change horses in the middle of the stream.

Also - if I make it through to tomorrow, things are looking in RL that I won't be able to post Saturday.

Edit - Hookbill:

If you'd voted Eomer or phantom, I'd be a little less suspicious...

If I jumped on the bandwagon, you mean?

So if you are a w-w, I take my hat off to you.

So that I can get to your neck easier? You are too kind.

[Saurreg]

At this point of time, I find Oddwen... quite innocent.

I shall wait and see the other votes.

[Lalaith]

Quick, someone tell me! I've just arrived back, I want to read through all the posts but not sure if I have time before voting closes. Have I got 5 minutes, or 1 hour and 5 minutes?

[Celuien]

Originally Posted by Oddwen

What I meant was that I found your "stab-in-the-dark" against me yesterday rather suspicious - if you were an unwiser wolf you doubtless would have gone for Ang or Esgall who were no-shows yesterday, but you went for a side-show instead. Your insistence upon me today seems to point towards wanting folks to think that you don't change horses in the middle of the stream.

Also - if I make it through to tomorrow, things are looking so that I won't be here.

Well, if I'm wrong, I truely apologize. But really, my vote is not a matter of keeping the village from thinking I'm changing horses. I very nearly decided to go for Saurreg today, but I wanted to see how the theories played out and this seemed like the best way to test it.

To clarify, by not voting for Eomer or Phantom, I needed to pick someone who looked able to snatch away a majority and I thought that a possible no-show who had a vote already and *could* possibly get a majorty would be a better way to try and stop a phantom, Eomer, Oddwen triple-lynching than going for someone unlikely to get any votes. Not a wasted vote by going for someone I thought would die anyway, but a way to put a majority to someone who would die anyway to keep us from losing two villagers instead of one.

I realize I look pretty suspicious now, but I genuinely voted in the way I hoped would help the village most, even if my reasoning turns out to be horribly wrong.

[Saurreg]

Forum time is now 2:57 pm. Go figure...

tt's d same time that got me into trouble.

[Celuien]

It's 11:00 EDT, there should be one hour left.

[Lalaith]

Oh mussy me, I'll just have to hope I have an hour...is our esteemed moderator about to assure me?
Anyway for what it's worth I don't particularly suspect Oddwen and I think the phantom is more likely to be a wolf than Eomer. I am also suspicious of Saurreg but a vote for him will be pointless at this stage.

[Saurreg]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I am also suspicious of Saurreg but a vote for him will be pointless at this stage.

[sarcasm]You know, you can always pray that the last few late-comers would suddenly decide that I make a good werewolf. [/sarcasm]

[Saurreg]

I still don't get it...

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

As of time of typing, GMT time is now 1511 hrs (?) and my local time as reflected by the site as 2313 hrs (correct).

Shouldn't we have at least 1hr 45 mins left?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's true that there are a few more votes left.

Enough to get Saurreg lynched, which is desirable as far as I'm concerned.


EDIT TO ADD: GMT actually means GMT+1 in summertime, I think.

45 mins left.

[Saurreg]

Ah Eomer! Come to play? Always the optimist I see...

EDIT: Perhaps you should open that webpage I linked. Doesn't hurt to be a bit more knowledgeable.

[Hookbill the Goomba]

It's British summer time. Here in Blighty its 16:20 ish. Add one hour to GMT and you get the British time. I believe that leaves us... oh, rounded up to about 40 minuets to lynch us a wear wolf.

[Saurreg]

I thank you for your information Hookbill. At least someone here knows what he's talking about.

[Lalaith]

One thing I am pretty sure of. Whoever the Seer is, will last night have asked to dream of either phantom or Eomer. So someone on here knows the truth about at least one of these two chief suspects. But who? Oh, the frustration....

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I wouldn't be surprised if the seer dreamed about me. I think there's a good chance the seer dreamed about Fea.

Now, Hookbill, perhaps you could clarify for us what you meant in post #124 (I think that's the right number).

You mention my thoughts on 'the possible accidental lynching of the seer'. When did I talk about this? You also seem to finish the post by directing suspicion upon me (suspicion which, as far as I can see, makes zero sense). And then you voted for me.

Just curious, is all...

[Saurreg]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

One thing I am pretty sure of. Whoever the Seer is, will last night have asked to dream of either phantom or Eomer. So someone on here knows the truth about at least one of these two chief suspects. But who? Oh, the frustration....

You posted on the assumption that the seer would have asked about P or E? What if the Seer asked on Oddwen? Myself or even you?

What happens if the Seer asked if it was LMP? (dammit, where's d ph43r smiley when you need it)

[Hookbill the Goomba]

Good Lord, I can't remember. Just ignore that post; I think I must have been going slightly mad.

[Saurreg]

Aren't we all.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

When I'm gone, be sure to string up Hookbill the Goomba.

Who knows what bizarre influence he has had in killing me.

[Anguirel]

I hope we will save you yet, my good rapscallion...or at least take that sophist of a healer with you. Alas, though, it is in the hands of the quorum of citizens, who will not accept the advice of a higher authority, it would seem...

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I'm suspicious of almost everyone which is rather frustrating. Eleven people have voted for six different villagers now. I'm beginning to think that the wolves aren't that "stupid" (well, no offense) anyway after causing this kind of shattered voting results.

There's a funny "I'm a martyr" flavour in Nilp's sayings not to mention that "I am a werewolf but don't take me seriously" statement. It may have been a joke as he says but to me it looked like a sure way to try to appear innocent.

Why does Eomer keep repeating that phantom won't last long? I'm not sure where he's trying to get but I find it odd. He has had some reasonable points, though.

I don't want a tie between any villagers. Since I don't have any certain information about who's guilty and who's not my vote is based on two things: Who's posts and actions I find most odd and how can I assure you that I'm not a werewolf (and don't you dare lynch me just for saying this for I think no-one wants to look quilty if they're pure as the wind driven snow )

Now, should I vote for Saurreg or Eomer. I'm willing to give Nilp another day because he might very well be just toying with the "kill me" stuff. Saurreg doesn't have any votes yet but obviously there are some others besides me who think he's suspicious. Eomer for one has three votes already. Maybe I should just start using the good old voting method: s/he just confused me, let's kill him/her! (Only kidding)

After reading all your arguments over and over again I'm beginning to lean towards voting for Eomer. That said... ++ EOMER