The Road Goes Ever On (Tolkien/Swann) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-02-2004, 09:03 AM

Though music reviews are usually not placed on the Books forum, I’m posting this one here for as special reason. In every Tolkien bibliography, this book is listed, not just because JRRT wrote the poems which Donald Swann set to music. He not only consented to and approved of the project, as it was done during his lifetime, but cooperated and collaborated in the production of this wonderful book.

Though I’ve been looking for this book since I read about it a couple of years ago, I didn’t find it until last month, in a London bookshop. Thanks to Peter Jackson and the interest rekindled by the movies, books that were out of print have been published anew. (This is a third edition, by HarperCollins, and includes a CD of all of the songs.)

I’d like to describe the book visually before I go on to review the musical aspects. It’s gorgeous! – so much so, as a matter of fact, that a non-fan family member suggested it should be displayed on the coffee table instead of staying on my piano. The black dust-jacket is decorated with Tengwar texts written by Tolkien himself. He also wrote the Notes and Translations on the Elvish texts for “Namárië” and “A Elbereth Gilthoniel”. Those are great reading for all who are interested in the language, but the hand-written Tengwar calligraphy fascinates me most.

The book contains the original six songs of the cycle plus three more that were composed later. The solo notes are set for medium voice and the piano accompaniments are intermediate to moderately advanced level. They are in a very classical style, reminiscent of Schubert’s and Schumann’s art songs. The melodies did not all immediately appeal to me, though I’m quite familiar with the style. (I'm a classically trained pianist who has enjoyed accompanying soloists in the past.) They don’t feel quite “hobbity” enough to me – too artful, you might say (to paraphrase Nokes). However, they’re growing on me as I hear them repeatedly, and they give an interpretation of the poems which enriches my understanding, even though they’re not likely to become my favorite melodies.

In the Foreword, Swann tells of the origin and development of his composition and the meetings he had with JRR and Edith Tolkien (she was an accomplished pianist!) about the songs. From Carpenter’s biography, I know that they were sung at the Tolkiens’ Golden Wedding anniversary in 1966, with the composer playing the piano and William Elvin (fortuitous name!) singing.

Here are the individual titles; I will include notes on the CD performance, most of which is sung by William Elvin (a wonderful baritone voice, very good interpretation of the songs!) and played by Donald Swann.

1. The Road Goes Ever On – This melody is the theme of the song cycle and shows up later on in some of the other pieces. It has too much of a hymn feeling for that poem, in my opinion, but it is singable and enjoyable.

2. Upon the Hearth a Fire Is Red – The melody I consider the best interpretation! It’s jolly and sounds like the hobbits would have had fun singing it.

3. In the Willow-Meads of Tasarinan – The melody is kept in a minor key and sounds somewhat melancholy and quite appropriate for an Entish song.

4. In Western Lands - This melody has some complicated transpositions that make it tricky to sing, so it doesn't sound like Sam to me.

5. Namárië – The melody to this Elvish song came from Tolkien himself, who wasn’t comfortable with Swann’s interpretation, suggesting this one. It sounds like a Gregorian chant (his Catholic influence?) and is unaccompanied, with an instrumental introduction, interlude, and coda.

6. I Sit Beside the Fire – This is a very nice tune that fits the words well. Listening to it moved me, especially since it breaks into (7.) “A Elbereth Gilthoniel” after the words “I listen for returning feet and voices at the door”, a very touching idea. Those Elven words are set to the theme melody again, and I like it here. It makes those lines sound very hymn-like.

8. Errantry – This is a delightfully fast-paced melody to the whimsical poem from “The Adventures of Tom Bombadil”! Tricky to perform, it’s not a sing-along song, but fun to hear.

9. Bilbo’s Last Song – The recording of this song touched me deeply, even moving me to tears. The composer sings it himself, and though his voice does not have Elvin’s professional quality, being a bit wavery and less clear, it is perfect for this poem – Swann is Bilbo!

10. Lúthien Tinúviel – On the CD, this is sung by Clive McCombie, whose voice I don’t enjoy as much as Elvin’s. (It has more tremolo than I like.) This is the one piece on which I find the piano accompaniment too restless for the solo melody.

All in all, this book is definitely worth purchasing if you’re interested in music, or even just to show it off on your bookshelf. Among all the various musical interpretations of Tolkien’s poetry, this one is special, as it is the one most closely connected directly with him. It makes me realize, though, that musical images are just as individual as visual ones. Another person’s melodies will never be identical with mine!

mark12_30 · 09-02-2004, 09:08 AM

Esty, you will link to this in Music Reviews, won't you?

I have three copies of this book. The earlier copies (ebay) don't have the last two songs you list, and once I discovered that I paid normal price for the volume you have. (Don't you love that it comes with a CD?)

The book(s) are lovely, even the older ones (with the rather tacky cover designs) but I wanted several copies in case I ever got to have a sing-along.

I think "THe Willow-Meads of Tasarinen" is the best in terms of interpretation. I admire you that you can handle the piano score for these songs!) The piano score for that one seems appropriately Entish to me-- rumbly, heavy, swaying a little.

Mithalwen · 09-02-2004, 11:11 AM

I ordered it the second I knew it was being reprinted ... having waited so long mainly for the elvish! Of course too late I realised THAT was on the net but I dont begrudge my £20 for it is a lovely book even though my piano playing is limited and I can't quite manage to sing baritone!!! I think I would settle for The willow meads... as a favourite..... but I am afraid I prefer the Stephen Oliver settings for the duplicates ...... but I do like the setting of Bilbo's Last Song, and while I would love to hear the full choral version, Donald Swann's rendition, clearly towards the end of his life, is moving because he clearly feels so much for it.

It is interesting to hear another side to his creativity having "grown up" with the hippopotamus song etc.... a friend did a sponsored 24 hour organ play and those of us keeping him company on the graveyard shift kept ourselves awake singing along to Flanders & Swann ....... very British sense of humour... lol.

All I need now is an elvish style coffee table to put it on!

davem · 09-02-2004, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

a friend did a sponsored 24 hour organ play and those of us keeping him company on the graveyard shift kept ourselves awake singing along to Flanders & Swann ....... very British sense of humour... lol.

All together now....'The English, the English, the English are best, I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest....'

Mithalwen · 09-02-2004, 12:30 PM

The English are moral, the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood...

For the English are all that a nation should be,
And the flower of the English are Tolkien, Davem and Me!

I sense another wrist slap heading my way...

Psychic.... well it is a Swann song

a mere illustration of the adaptability and range of the of the composer .......... not completely of topic

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-02-2004, 12:56 PM

*Estelyn looks around to see which forum this is*

Oh, it isn't Mirth after all, it's Books! I dare you Brits to edit your posts so they're on-topic...

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-04-2004, 04:30 AM

I'm encountering an interesting phenomenon that's similar to what Tolkien and Lewis experienced - they decided to write the stories they wanted to read, since no one else did. Well, I feel that the music to several hobbit songs in this book doesn't quite fit the feeling of the poems for me. However, I'm not normally inclined to composing, so have never tried my hand at setting them to melodies of my own.

Well, this morning a melody to "The road goes ever on" came to me! No one could have been more surprised than I was. It's simple, encompassing a range of only one octave, with easy intervals, and basic harmonies underlying it. It has passed the walking test, since I sang it under my breath while walking the dog, and it seems quite appropriate for a nice hobbit hike!

That's good enough for me - a hobbit melody doesn't have to be earth-shakingly original and novel. Now perhaps I'll find a melody to "I sit beside the fire", which could be more pensive, for my personal taste, than Swann's cheerful music.

mark12_30 · 09-04-2004, 04:39 AM

Soooo, Esty, when do we get to hera this new tune?

davem · 09-04-2004, 04:54 AM

Have to admit I find it really difficult to get Stephen Oliver's tunes (BBC Radio series) out of my head. Though some of the Tolkien Ensemble's music is perfect - their version of Bombadil's song is the best I've heard. None of Swann's tunes really work for me, but I can listen to them without flinching, as long as I can manage to shut out the experience of last year's Oxonmoot, when three generations of one family (grandmother, daughter & granddaughter) 'sang' a selection of them.

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-04-2004, 05:14 AM

That experience of davem's is the reason you'll never hear me sing my song in public, Helen!!

It's purely for my own enjoyment.

Mithalwen · 09-04-2004, 08:57 AM

I listened to both the Swann and the Oliver settings this morning and Oliver wins hands down ... I have loved those settings for 20 years now ..... I am less fond of some of the orchestral pieces ....the theme tune itself and Shadowfax but the healing ofhte shire cleverly incorporates some of the elvish themes ..... Galadriel's influence showing through....

Encaitare · 09-04-2004, 03:12 PM

Well done, Esty! I really should give composing a shot considering I want to pursue a career in music, I just really haven't got the time for it right now. The other day, though, I took out my flute and decided I was going to play something elfy. I just closed my eyes and thought "elven" over and over... it sounded pretty but nothing brilliant happened. Maybe I'll give another of these "channeling" sessions a shot in the future! I just wish I had a little symphony orchestra I could keep in my closet and take out from time to time...

Thanks for the original post; I'll keep an eye out for that one!

09-02-2004, 09:03 AM	#1
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	The Road Goes Ever On (Tolkien/Swann) Though music reviews are usually not placed on the Books forum, I’m posting this one here for as special reason. In every Tolkien bibliography, this book is listed, not just because JRRT wrote the poems which Donald Swann set to music. He not only consented to and approved of the project, as it was done during his lifetime, but cooperated and collaborated in the production of this wonderful book. Though I’ve been looking for this book since I read about it a couple of years ago, I didn’t find it until last month, in a London bookshop. Thanks to Peter Jackson and the interest rekindled by the movies, books that were out of print have been published anew. (This is a third edition, by HarperCollins, and includes a CD of all of the songs.) I’d like to describe the book visually before I go on to review the musical aspects. It’s gorgeous! – so much so, as a matter of fact, that a non-fan family member suggested it should be displayed on the coffee table instead of staying on my piano. The black dust-jacket is decorated with Tengwar texts written by Tolkien himself. He also wrote the Notes and Translations on the Elvish texts for “Namárië” and “A Elbereth Gilthoniel”. Those are great reading for all who are interested in the language, but the hand-written Tengwar calligraphy fascinates me most. The book contains the original six songs of the cycle plus three more that were composed later. The solo notes are set for medium voice and the piano accompaniments are intermediate to moderately advanced level. They are in a very classical style, reminiscent of Schubert’s and Schumann’s art songs. The melodies did not all immediately appeal to me, though I’m quite familiar with the style. (I'm a classically trained pianist who has enjoyed accompanying soloists in the past.) They don’t feel quite “hobbity” enough to me – too artful, you might say (to paraphrase Nokes). However, they’re growing on me as I hear them repeatedly, and they give an interpretation of the poems which enriches my understanding, even though they’re not likely to become my favorite melodies. In the Foreword, Swann tells of the origin and development of his composition and the meetings he had with JRR and Edith Tolkien (she was an accomplished pianist!) about the songs. From Carpenter’s biography, I know that they were sung at the Tolkiens’ Golden Wedding anniversary in 1966, with the composer playing the piano and William Elvin (fortuitous name!) singing. Here are the individual titles; I will include notes on the CD performance, most of which is sung by William Elvin (a wonderful baritone voice, very good interpretation of the songs!) and played by Donald Swann. 1. The Road Goes Ever On – This melody is the theme of the song cycle and shows up later on in some of the other pieces. It has too much of a hymn feeling for that poem, in my opinion, but it is singable and enjoyable. 2. Upon the Hearth a Fire Is Red – The melody I consider the best interpretation! It’s jolly and sounds like the hobbits would have had fun singing it. 3. In the Willow-Meads of Tasarinan – The melody is kept in a minor key and sounds somewhat melancholy and quite appropriate for an Entish song. 4. In Western Lands - This melody has some complicated transpositions that make it tricky to sing, so it doesn't sound like Sam to me. 5. Namárië – The melody to this Elvish song came from Tolkien himself, who wasn’t comfortable with Swann’s interpretation, suggesting this one. It sounds like a Gregorian chant (his Catholic influence?) and is unaccompanied, with an instrumental introduction, interlude, and coda. 6. I Sit Beside the Fire – This is a very nice tune that fits the words well. Listening to it moved me, especially since it breaks into (7.) “A Elbereth Gilthoniel” after the words “I listen for returning feet and voices at the door”, a very touching idea. Those Elven words are set to the theme melody again, and I like it here. It makes those lines sound very hymn-like. 8. Errantry – This is a delightfully fast-paced melody to the whimsical poem from “The Adventures of Tom Bombadil”! Tricky to perform, it’s not a sing-along song, but fun to hear. 9. Bilbo’s Last Song – The recording of this song touched me deeply, even moving me to tears. The composer sings it himself, and though his voice does not have Elvin’s professional quality, being a bit wavery and less clear, it is perfect for this poem – Swann is Bilbo! 10. Lúthien Tinúviel – On the CD, this is sung by Clive McCombie, whose voice I don’t enjoy as much as Elvin’s. (It has more tremolo than I like.) This is the one piece on which I find the piano accompaniment too restless for the solo melody. All in all, this book is definitely worth purchasing if you’re interested in music, or even just to show it off on your bookshelf. Among all the various musical interpretations of Tolkien’s poetry, this one is special, as it is the one most closely connected directly with him. It makes me realize, though, that musical images are just as individual as visual ones. Another person’s melodies will never be identical with mine! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-02-2004, 09:08 AM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Esty, you will link to this in Music Reviews, won't you? I have three copies of this book. The earlier copies (ebay) don't have the last two songs you list, and once I discovered that I paid normal price for the volume you have. (Don't you love that it comes with a CD?) The book(s) are lovely, even the older ones (with the rather tacky cover designs) but I wanted several copies in case I ever got to have a sing-along. I think "THe Willow-Meads of Tasarinen" is the best in terms of interpretation. I admire you that you can handle the piano score for these songs!) The piano score for that one seems appropriately Entish to me-- rumbly, heavy, swaying a little. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-02-2004, 11:11 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I ordered it the second I knew it was being reprinted ... having waited so long mainly for the elvish! Of course too late I realised THAT was on the net but I dont begrudge my £20 for it is a lovely book even though my piano playing is limited and I can't quite manage to sing baritone!!! I think I would settle for The willow meads... as a favourite..... but I am afraid I prefer the Stephen Oliver settings for the duplicates ...... but I do like the setting of Bilbo's Last Song, and while I would love to hear the full choral version, Donald Swann's rendition, clearly towards the end of his life, is moving because he clearly feels so much for it. It is interesting to hear another side to his creativity having "grown up" with the hippopotamus song etc.... a friend did a sponsored 24 hour organ play and those of us keeping him company on the graveyard shift kept ourselves awake singing along to Flanders & Swann ....... very British sense of humour... lol. All I need now is an elvish style coffee table to put it on! __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-02-2004, 12:30 PM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	The English are moral, the English are good And clever and modest and misunderstood... For the English are all that a nation should be, And the flower of the English are Tolkien, Davem and Me! I sense another wrist slap heading my way... Psychic.... well it is a Swann song a mere illustration of the adaptability and range of the of the composer .......... not completely of topic __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 09-03-2004 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Esty dared me....

09-02-2004, 12:56 PM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Estelyn looks around to see which forum this is Oh, it isn't Mirth after all, it's Books! I dare you Brits to edit your posts so they're on-topic... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-04-2004, 04:30 AM	#7
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I'm encountering an interesting phenomenon that's similar to what Tolkien and Lewis experienced - they decided to write the stories they wanted to read, since no one else did. Well, I feel that the music to several hobbit songs in this book doesn't quite fit the feeling of the poems for me. However, I'm not normally inclined to composing, so have never tried my hand at setting them to melodies of my own. Well, this morning a melody to "The road goes ever on" came to me! No one could have been more surprised than I was. It's simple, encompassing a range of only one octave, with easy intervals, and basic harmonies underlying it. It has passed the walking test, since I sang it under my breath while walking the dog, and it seems quite appropriate for a nice hobbit hike! That's good enough for me - a hobbit melody doesn't have to be earth-shakingly original and novel. Now perhaps I'll find a melody to "I sit beside the fire", which could be more pensive, for my personal taste, than Swann's cheerful music. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-04-2004, 04:39 AM	#8
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Soooo, Esty, when do we get to hera this new tune? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-04-2004, 04:54 AM	#9
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Have to admit I find it really difficult to get Stephen Oliver's tunes (BBC Radio series) out of my head. Though some of the Tolkien Ensemble's music is perfect - their version of Bombadil's song is the best I've heard. None of Swann's tunes really work for me, but I can listen to them without flinching, as long as I can manage to shut out the experience of last year's Oxonmoot, when three generations of one family (grandmother, daughter & granddaughter) 'sang' a selection of them. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

09-04-2004, 05:14 AM	#10
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	That experience of davem's is the reason you'll never hear me sing my song in public, Helen!! It's purely for my own enjoyment. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-04-2004, 08:57 AM	#11
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I listened to both the Swann and the Oliver settings this morning and Oliver wins hands down ... I have loved those settings for 20 years now ..... I am less fond of some of the orchestral pieces ....the theme tune itself and Shadowfax but the healing ofhte shire cleverly incorporates some of the elvish themes ..... Galadriel's influence showing through.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-04-2004, 03:12 PM	#12
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Well done, Esty! I really should give composing a shot considering I want to pursue a career in music, I just really haven't got the time for it right now. The other day, though, I took out my flute and decided I was going to play something elfy. I just closed my eyes and thought "elven" over and over... it sounded pretty but nothing brilliant happened. Maybe I'll give another of these "channeling" sessions a shot in the future! I just wish I had a little symphony orchestra I could keep in my closet and take out from time to time... Thanks for the original post; I'll keep an eye out for that one!

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