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04-06-2001, 05:37 AM | #1 |
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Elrond and Elros
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Posts: 80</TD><TD><img src=http://community.universitypride.com/cecilyanne/X-Files-01.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> A question cam up in the chat room last night and I was wondering if anyone could elucidate it for me. The question was whether Elrond and Elros were twins. I was assured that they are, but no one could give me a reference. I plead ignorance on this...anyone? -*-The X Phial-*- You must believe in free will, you have no choice. Isaac Singer</p>
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04-06-2001, 07:53 AM | #2 | ||
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Posts: 985 Re: Elrond and Elros In the beginnig there was only Elrond planned, Elros came in later: Quote:
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04-06-2001, 08:18 AM | #3 |
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Posts: 49</TD><TD><img src=http://www.clipartconnection.com/img/6/WB/zed_non_com/clipconxn/animations/holidays/0384.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond and Elros It seems that they were not twins, because it never says anything to really suggest that they were. Elros was born 58 years before the end of the first age. But the birth of Elrond is unknown. It could be either way, but I don't think Tolkien intended them to be twins. <img src=indifferent.gif ALT=":/"> <img src=biggrin.gif ALT=""> </p>
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04-06-2001, 08:47 AM | #4 |
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Posts: 579</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond and Elros Since twins run in family lines and Elronds sons were, I would say this lends weight to the sons of earendil in fact being twins. It is true Elrond was first in conception, but this does not nec. effect a later idea. Tar elenion may well know of an obscure quote from Peopls of Middle-Earth or The problem of -Ros. I am on a dash out the door or I would peek. Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>
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04-06-2001, 09:58 AM | #5 |
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Posts: 989 Re: Elrond and Elros I, having Tolkien's renowned scrupulousity and love for detail, doubt him putting in Elrond and Elros if there were difference of the time of their birth. In the most shortened accounts would be rather she bore Elrond, and Elros after him or something of the kind. But still, I repeat, no direct reference.
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04-06-2001, 02:24 PM | #6 |
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Posts: 407</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond and Elros If my memory serves me well, Elros and Elrond are described as the `twin sons of Earendil` in the Tale of Years printed in HOME XI, The War of the Jewels. I don`t know if there is an explicit reference, but as far as I can recall, Elros is generally named first when the brethren are mentioned together. This fact, combined with a quote from `The Problem of Ros` where Elros is described as `first` (sorry, can`t remember it more precisely), makes me suspect that Elros was the elder twin. Hopefully others more erudite than I can clarify this. </p> |
04-06-2001, 02:33 PM | #7 | |
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Posts: 1010 Re: Elrond and Elros[/b] Here it is, in the tale of years in HoME v 11 p 297: Quote:
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04-06-2001, 02:44 PM | #8 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of the Downfallen West
Posts: 409</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond and Elros Eldun and Elrun are the sons of Dior, not of Earendil. These names are earlier variants of Elured and Elurin, the unfortunate youngsters who were left to starve in the wild by the Sons of Feanor. The quote I am thinking of actually refers to Elros and Elrond. They are definitely called `twin sons of Earendil`. </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000099>Taimar</A> <IMG SRC=http://www.ezboard.com/ezgfx/gicons/black_lightning.gif BORDER=0 WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=10> at: 4/6/01 4:45:20 pm |
04-06-2001, 02:49 PM | #9 |
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 51</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Elrond and Elros I think that would suck, i mean they never really knew their father either. If they lived in our world, they would definatly be undergoing counciling(not the white counciling though), in a supermax for murder, or on a daytime talkshow crying about how much they have been neglected by their parents. Also saying how much of a cool Guy Great uncle Meadros and Maglor are because they let them stay up late when captured at the mouth of Sirion. </p> |
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Posts: 1011 Re: Elrond and Elros Mea culpa. Don't you hurry man, as I always say to myself Ok, here is the right entry: Quote:
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