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07-29-2004, 06:53 PM | #1 |
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What if, wounded by the Morgul blade, Frodo had fade before reaching Rivendell?
Hello to all. Hereafter is my guess of what would have happened if Frodo had fade from the Morgul wound. In parenthesis are the multiple interrogations to which I hoped you could help me with. If you see something wrong in my hypothesis, please inform me of it.
By going into the Wraith-world (The fading was occurring gradually but would the passage from our world to the Wraith one be as slow?), Frodo’s body would have become transparent (Would the shard of the Morgul blade be then visible, seeing that it can not fade, except if sunlight or fire melts it? In a more comical way, could we see it float in the air where Frodo is standing?) Like the Nazgul (Would he become one of them or only a servant?), one could only see he’s there if he wears cloths or accessories from our world. (What would be his first reflex as a wraith? Put the Ring on? Take it to Sauron, even though he hasn’t received the order to? Wait for the Ring-wraiths to find him?) (Would the real Frodo, the good one, be gone forever or would he be trapped in this evilness and only able to watch?) One way or another, he would arrive to Mordor. There, Sauron would take the Ring (Would Frodo still be addicted to the Ring? If his master’s order was to give it back and he couldn’t disobey, would the separation be painful?) and take over Middle-Earth. (At this point, what would happen to Frodo? Depending on if he was the tenth Ring-wraith or only a servant, would he serve Sauron? Would the Dark Lord torture Frodo’s soul, if it still existed, for keeping the Ring away from him?) (In the Wraith-world, everything would be like when he put the Ring on, but permanently. How would Sauron look like? The High Elves would be light, the Nazgul would be the pale kings and the other people (Men, Hobbits and all) would be dark shapes, but what about the Dark Lord?) (If the fading wasn’t too deep, would it be possible, to a certain level, to bring him back by removing the shard of the Morgul blade (who would be in his heart at that time) and corrupting him to good?) I hope you will be able to answer me, at least partially. Thank you. Vilya |
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07-29-2004, 07:31 PM | #3 |
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Thank you Firefoot. I wasn't sure about those things. I've searched for that part in the book a long time before giving up. It answers some of my questions. Thanks again!
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07-29-2004, 08:58 PM | #4 |
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Welcome to the Downs, Vilya! Your icon is very spiffy.
It's an interesting question you pose! Hmm... that would make an interesting AU fanfiction... *ponders* |
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Maybe once the shard of the blade would have reached Frodos heart and "done the job", it would have disappeared (well, like the whole story would otherwise follow the laws of physics ). Quote:
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07-31-2004, 04:47 PM | #6 |
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Thank you for your answers, dancing spawn of ungoliant. They are very interesting hypotheses. You can be sure I'll take them in note.
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08-01-2004, 08:20 PM | #7 |
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Adding in my two cents on what Spawny mentioned... I wonder if Frodo would not simply go mad, as the 'darkness' took over him. I agree that it most likely would not wholly change his personality, and 'Good' Frodo would still be there. But perhaps he would be so taken by the pain of becoming wraith-like, that his mission would not be the first thing on his mind. What I have to question, is how he'd react to those around him. Would he then go mad and do something rash to his companions, or would he simply run off until he was eventually led by the power of the Ring to Mordor, and to his doom? Or maybe even both?
My curiosity arouses in what Frodo's mindset would be like. Whether he'd be scared, pained, or just plain taken over by some 'power' in him from the wound? I don't believe, as I've mentioned before, that it would make him immediately 'evil', per se, but in a situation as such, it's rather easy to assume that he'd have little control over what he was doing. Take Nienor, for instance. When she was overcome by her own darkness, she wasn't really in any state of mind to think rationally - or so one could conclude. All she did was run in fear. Taking that into account, I should like to think that Frodo would react in much the same way. Though, I would imagine his suffrage would be worse. So, perhaps he would be 'trapped in this evilness, and only be able to watch' in that he wouldn't really be able to think rationally. But that's just my opinion. ^^
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08-02-2004, 09:59 AM | #8 |
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I think if Frodo had faded, which thank goodness he didn't, Sam could have taken the ring. He was so strong of character he could have possibly made it. The only thing that makes me question him was how he didn't trust gollum. He was right in not trusting him but he wouldn't have found his way to Mordor without him. This is all only if Glorfindel had taken the ring from Frodo before he faded. If he hadn't then Middle-Earth would have been lost. I think Sam probably would have felt it was his duty to complete his masters work.
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08-02-2004, 11:10 AM | #9 |
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I agree, Ninlaith. Sam probably could have completed the Quest, provided that he found the way into Mordor all by his onesie.
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