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05-05-2004, 08:59 PM | #41 | |
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As to Aragorn perhaps having no more control over himself around the Ring then Isildur did, I think Aragorn traveling with Frodo as long as he did proves that he had more self-control than Isildur, who likely would've done a Boromir, probably even sooner, had he been in Aragorn's place. Although I don't doubt that if Aragorn would've gone with Frodo into Mordor & up to Mount Doom, there'd have been a good possibility of him giving into the Ring. |
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05-06-2004, 06:28 AM | #42 |
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Well, about Gimli, if he just thought of it as a treasure, it wouldn't do much becasue it's just a small ring. Alhough that said it is flawless in design. But the very-enhanced-greed only took hold on the Dwarves already bearing a Ring of Power. Like I said, I think he would have been one of the last. But I may be wrong.
I also think personalities matter heabilly in this. There are some, like Legolas (and loyal Gimli) who I just can't see doing this...they're too noble simply. Even Galadriel didn't make a move for it until it was freely offered to her, though it was within her grasp for a month. Although taking the RIng wouldn't have to be done like Boromir. If Gandalf or Aragorn did it, they'd do it, as I've said, for the defense against Sauron, and so I think first they'd try to convinnce Frodo, but then if that failed take it off him, but not in a violent fit of rage like Boromir. They'd probably treat him as a poor victim, delusional from the Ring's power, convincing themselves they were right. Bearing this in mind, the others, no matter how noble loyal, might lie to themselves that 'relieving Frodo of his burden' would be in reality helping him.
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I agree with Son of Númenor that, given a long enough exposure, every member of the Fellowship would have succumbed to its power. This may not be expressly stated in the book, but I think that it is implicit in the nature of the Ring, which was created to assist Sauron in his purpose of enslaving all within Middle-earth to his will. The only possible exception would be Gandalf, but given the consequences if he did succumb to it, I wouldn't fancy taking that risk. I probably sound like a scratchy record as I keep saying this on the forum, but Tolkien made it clear in his Letters that no one could voluntarily have destroyed the Ring. This is consistent with the story, since it would belittle Frodo's efforts, in my view, if someone else could have succeeded where he "failed". And Frodo's inability to destroy the Ring was not because he suddenly decided that it was rather pretty and should not be harmed after all. It was because the will of the Ring itself prevented him doing so. It follows that, if Frodo finally succumbed to the will of the Ring, then (Bombadil excepted) there is not one who would not also have succumbed to it eventually. Quote:
For all these reasons, and because they were much closer to Frodo and therefore less likely to be tempted into attacking him, I think that the Hobbits would have been more able to hold out than either Legolas or Gimili. It's a tough call between those two, but I put Legolas first because Dwarves are said to be able to resist at least one aspect of the Ring's power, namely its "enwraithing" effect. And finally, let's not be too down on Isildur. If you accept that no one could willingly have destroyed the Ring, then Isildur can hardly be blamed for refusing to do so. Also, he did come to think better of his decision to keep it as a weregild for his father. When he died, he was on his way to Rivendell to seek the counsel of the wise on what should be done with it. So I do not think that he necessarily had any less self control than Aragorn. But, being Men, I still think that they were both more susceptible to it than members of the other Races. Edit: To respond to a point made by Olorin: Quote:
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05-06-2004, 06:48 AM | #44 | |
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Yes, nobody would have been able to destory it, and Frodo's corruption is a sure sign anyone else (with some incredible excetions, such as Bombadil) would hav ebeen corrupted if they bore it, but what about if the Fellowship had simply gone with Frodo (or the other way around)? Though still exposure, it's nowhere near as intense as the ordeal Frodo had to go through, and though I think that some might have fallen, I don't think everybody would have.
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05-06-2004, 03:25 PM | #45 |
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Hroom, this is a very interesting question...
I think that it very likely would have beem Frodo. After all, he was carrying the Ring, and had the most contact with it. It was his burden, appointed to him. And we all see, that by the end of the book, at the Cracks of Doom, he succumbs. So, in a sense, he really is the next after Boromir to give in.
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Btw, the way it is portrayed in the movies, it seemed that Elrond would've been able to destroy it; although I suppose that's the movie not wanting to admit that no one could voluntarily throw it away, that would lessen the dramatical element of it, I suppose :/. |
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08-08-2004, 01:51 PM | #47 |
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I think Pippin would have been next after Boromir, the Merry, then Gimli, Legolas, Aragorn and (if you include Gandalf in there as Boromir tried to take the ring after Moria) Gandalf would resist the longest as he is both wise and strong. Though, he did warn Frodo back a Bag end not to tempt him with the ring, so perhaps I am wrong.
Many would not try to take the ring from Frodo, but if he offered it freely to some, they might be tempted all too easily.
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08-10-2004, 06:11 AM | #48 |
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I remember Daddy Aule giving dwarves endurance.... so I think Gimli would've resisted it also. I agree with you guys who say it's Gimli!
I think Merry, Pippin or Sam could've resisted that. Hang on, Sam actually did. Though he used it, he wasn't corrupted by it. My vote goes to Aragorn. Here's why: 1. It's in his genes. Remember him being Isildur's heir?Isildur was a great guy, but he fell for the ring. 2. He's A man. Men are really the easiest to corrupt. Look at Boromir. 3. He wanted to beautify his city, so maybe deep inside him there awoke a lust for the Ring. Sorry for you Aragorn fans, though. |
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