The Witch King - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

HCIsland · 10-13-2003, 07:15 PM

Apparently, this is he.<A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/9030" TARGET=_blank>The Witch King</A>Someone in another thread was trying to convince me that when Gandalf faces that Nazgul near the citidel in the ROTK preview that is packaged with the Towers DVD, it is not the Witch King he faces. This would lend credence to that.H.C.

Silmiel of Imladris · 10-13-2003, 07:39 PM

Now that is scary! Good find HC! Just a theory in comment to the Nazgul Gandalf faces in the preview. Maybe it is the Witch King but he just has his hood up so you can't see the crown. Just an idea.

Amarantha_Daisy · 10-13-2003, 08:00 PM

Eeeek! That *is* scary! Thanks for the link I love his helmet...The movie's costume design is just wonderful. I certainly hope this is *the* Witch-King. I'd love to see him on the big screen!

Morquesse · 10-13-2003, 08:10 PM

I love it! Thank you HC! It's perfect! The helmet gives a dead feeling, along with creepiness. Marvelous! I just hope PJ does the Witch King versus the non-Man couple fight well! Thank you! Now I'm more excited than before! ~M P.S. I hope it's the Witch King too, or they would have to come up with something better!

Maéglin · 10-13-2003, 10:56 PM

He does look pretty cool doesn't he Although the Witch King isn't supposed to have a head so when he flings back his hood when he meet Gandalf at the gates (assuming they film that scene) I hope they don't make it look cheesy.

samrohan · 10-14-2003, 12:51 AM

Lovely helmet. Though he does not have a head, a helmet would be supported in the same way the cloak would be.Nice one

Kalimac · 10-15-2003, 12:16 AM

With that pointed helmet and no visible face, it's got a vaguely Klan look to it - not that it's exactly wildly out of character for him, just thought I'd mention it.

Olorin_TLA · 10-15-2003, 07:55 AM

Klan?Anyway, that IS the WK, as it's his profile pic on <A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net" TARGET=_blank>www.lordoftherings.net</A> And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! Although how that trailer one doesn't get shot down is going to be...intersting...

HCIsland · 10-15-2003, 01:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wouldn't assume that. It seems to me the most likely thing is that the confrontation at the gate happens, more or less, as it does in the book. The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life.H.C.

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 10-15-2003, 05:02 PM

Squee!!! That is the scariest, doom-bringing thing that I have ever seen! Thanks, HC!

Arwen1858 · 10-15-2003, 05:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree. That's is how I thought it would work out. Pippin is already with Gandalf there, so I would assume they're on the way to save Faramir. They shouldn't make that *the* confrontation with Gandalf and the WK. Hopefully they will have the whole scene with that play out like it does in the book. Arwen

Maéglin · 10-15-2003, 11:28 PM

Nah I don't think its really 'Klan'-like (thats the Klu Klux Klan Olorin) but the helm seems to resemble the crest-headed Pterodactyl. I remember reading somewhere (a JRRT letter methinks) that the idea for the Nazgul winged beasts Tolkien received were from Pterodactyls which were newly discovered at the time (I THINK) so maybe Howe and Lee decide to take up on the idea and give the Witch King that look.

Essex · 10-16-2003, 05:12 AM

I think this IS the confrontation scene. I think it might be a bit different to the book, in that we may already have had the pyre scene (i now believe it WILL be in after reading the review by quickbeam from theonering.net on another thread)then gandalf and pippin 'confront' the wk. he flies off when he hears the rohirrim (doesn't look like we have them charging at dawn...)because the wk is on his fell beast instead of his horse he get's to theoden much quicker than gandalf, and gandalf turns up (with pippin) "too late". this could also explain why pippin has been seen in various shots on the field of battle.....anyway, probably totally wrong!

Olorin_TLA · 10-16-2003, 06:33 AM

quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------I wouldn't assume that. It seems to me the most likely thing is that the confrontation at the gate happens, more or less, as it does in the book. The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life.H.C.___________________________________ _________Whoops! I emant thank god they WON'T replace it! (Which was what I was thinking might happen when I saw roof Nazgul on the trailer)

rudeboy · 10-21-2003, 10:16 AM

Is it definetly the WK and not the Mouth, I thought WK had a crown and the MoS had a helmet!

Seagull Jonathan L. · 10-21-2003, 05:11 PM

Ewwwww,it is so not me.Absolute lack of style.I would never put that thing on my head.But you are right,it's really scary.

HCIsland · 10-27-2003, 09:34 PM

These are absolutely gorgeous, wallpaper sized shots of the Witch King.<A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking1_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Witch King 1</A><A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking2_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Witch King 2</A>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates.By the way, there's one of Shelob too.<A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_shelob_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Shelob</A>H.C.

Gorwingel · 10-28-2003, 01:09 AM

Oh, gosh, that is kind of scary! That mask, helmet, thing, oh my!Now Shelob has totally not scared me at all, but that photo of the Witch King, well, Ahhhhhh... But it is perfect though, he is supposed to be really freaky.

Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 · 10-28-2003, 04:12 AM

Gorgeous? Interesting description... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whoops! I emant thank god they WON'T replace it! (Which was what I was thinking might happen when I saw roof Nazgul on the trailer) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh. I just thought you were being sarky.To be honest, all this trying to figure out what will happen in the films is too tiring. I think I might just wait and see.

Olorin_TLA · 10-28-2003, 06:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's hope so. I guessElentári's right...especially considering their stil shots and trailer scenes don't amtch anymore.

Essex · 10-28-2003, 06:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What I think this raises is that the version of the nazgul at the gates in the tt dvd has been updated, and we will now see it as shown on the wallpaper.ie it IS the witch king that gandalf (and pippin) are confronting at this point on the preview dvd.this view only has credence if these wallpapers are from the official site. are they?

HCIsland · 10-28-2003, 09:47 AM

I see where you are coming from, but personally I have more faith in the preview packaged with Towers then a promotional image, even if it is from the official website.Like it was previously mentioned, we'll just have to wait and see.H.C.

Ancalagon_the_Black · 10-29-2003, 06:14 AM

Just a note, for those of you who are interested in exactly who the Nazgul were, and whence they came. <A HREF="http://www.rockjakten.com/nazgul_html/nazguls.html" TARGET=_blank>The Nine</A>Enjoy!Now, onto topic. That helmet reminds me of a helmet in a movie my little brother forced me to watch with him one time... I don't remember exactly what it was called... something like... Bionicle Somethingorother. Perhaps I sense a bit of plagiarism on someone's part...

Sleepy Ranger · 10-29-2003, 11:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Just a note, for those of you who are interested in exactly who the Nazgul were, and whence they came. The Nine <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that stuff correct?

Estelyn Telcontar · 10-29-2003, 01:45 PM

Aside from some basic information about the Witch-King and Khamûl, none of what is shown on that page is Tolkien-based. It's possibly been made up for a game. Enjoy it if you like that sort of thing, but don't take it as a fact...

Ainaserkewen · 10-29-2003, 01:50 PM

Wow Ancalagon_the_Black, what a link...I wonder where all of the Nazgul's names came from, and all that info. Maybe from a Tolkien letter. Anyway, all these spoilers, rumors, pictures and essays make my toes curl all the more with anticipation. Hopefully this will just make my movie experience all the more climatic when I actually get to see it.

Ancalagon_the_Black · 10-30-2003, 05:41 AM

Well, Estelyn Telcontar, I'm pretty for sure that they came from one of Tolkein's Letters, but I can't back that up properly. *sheepish grin* However, I can properly state that they weren't created for a game.As far as I know, Sleept Ranger, most of them are accurate. I'm not certain about a few of them, but they all appear to be book canon. Maybe I'm not looking deep enough.

Eurytus · 10-30-2003, 06:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well, Estelyn Telcontar, I'm pretty for sure that they came from one of Tolkein's Letters, but I can't back that up properly. *sheepish grin* However, I can properly state that they weren't created for a game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> In fact I can confirm 100% that these were developed for a game. How do I know? I own the book in which they appear. They appear as part of the “Lords of Middle Earth” series, a range of books providing information for the Middle Earth Role Playing (MERP) game. The descriptions within the book are more detailed but it’s all made up of course, other than those for the Witchking and Khamul. It also contains other flights of fantasy such as Lungorthin, the white-fire Balrog who is the herald of Melkor’s throne room.

Ancalagon_the_Black · 11-02-2003, 06:12 AM

I stand corrected! *bows*I beg pardon for giving out any misleading information, LoL.

ArathorofBarahir · 11-08-2003, 11:22 AM

I love that picture of the Witch King! I can't wait to see Eowyn defeating the Witch King in ROTK!

The Ninth Valar · 11-09-2003, 02:03 AM

But that gaming stuff is just a random writer's imagination, right? Right. One concern I have about the Witch King is his helmet: I think Mouth of Sauron when I see it. The big gaping maw in the lower half is how I pictured the Mouth's mask to look, while the Witch King, I pictured a crown on an invisible head or some such. Hm...

Olorin_TLA · 11-09-2003, 04:12 AM

Yep, that's all made up.

Finwe · 11-09-2003, 08:29 AM

Oh that dunce-cap was just beautiful!Witch-king: ROAR! ROAR! ROAR!Nazgul No. 5: I wonder if he realizes that I replaced his helmet with a dunce cap. The rest of the Nazgul: *snicker snicker*

LePetitChoux · 11-09-2003, 03:49 PM

Ren the Unclean sounds like something the Barrow-Downs Name Generator might come up with.

Olorin_TLA · 11-09-2003, 05:33 PM

Sounds like Stimpy the Flatulent

Olorin_TLA · 11-10-2003, 08:45 AM

According to a movie book about weapons, the Witch King ***LARGE SPOILER!!!*** . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . Breaks Gandalf's staff in their confrontation. Sooo, not for Saruman, but it's fine for Gandalf. I suppose next G will be powerless... . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . Tha t sucks.

ArathorofBarahir · 11-15-2003, 10:16 AM

I think that the Witch King breaks Gandalfs staff is just a rumor. I don't think PJ would make up something like that.

10-13-2003, 07:15 PM	#1
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	The Witch King Apparently, this is he.<P><A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/9030" TARGET=_blank>The Witch King</A><P>Someone in another thread was trying to convince me that when Gandalf faces that Nazgul near the citidel in the ROTK preview that is packaged with the Towers DVD, it is not the Witch King he faces. This would lend credence to that.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-13-2003, 07:39 PM	#2
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Now that is scary! Good find HC! Just a theory in comment to the Nazgul Gandalf faces in the preview. Maybe it is the Witch King but he just has his hood up so you can't see the crown. Just an idea. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

10-13-2003, 08:00 PM	#3
Amarantha_Daisy Wight Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bag End... On Frodo's laptop. Shhhh! Don't tell! Posts: 240	Eeeek! That is scary! Thanks for the link I love his helmet...The movie's costume design is just wonderful. I certainly hope this is the Witch-King. I'd love to see him on the big screen! __________________ "I did not see the Balrog until I saw the film! He was -- it was -- just a yellow tennis ball on top of a pole for me to shout at. I felt like screaming 'You shall not bounce!'" ~Sir Ian McKellen October 20, 2005 - 1st Annual Golden Ring Marathon! Spread the Word!

10-13-2003, 08:10 PM	#4
Morquesse Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Past the fields we know.... Posts: 202	I love it! Thank you HC! It's perfect! The helmet gives a dead feeling, along with creepiness. Marvelous! I just hope PJ does the Witch King versus the non-Man couple fight well! <BR>Thank you! Now I'm more excited than before! <BR>~M<BR>P.S. I hope it's the Witch King too, or they would have to come up with something better! __________________ I'm not ashamed to let you know I want this light in me to show. I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.~Newsboys

10-13-2003, 10:56 PM	#5
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	He does look pretty cool doesn't he <BR>Although the Witch King isn't supposed to have a head so when he flings back his hood when he meet Gandalf at the gates (assuming they film that scene) I hope they don't make it look cheesy.

10-14-2003, 12:51 AM	#6
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	Lovely helmet. Though he does not have a head, a helmet would be supported in the same way the cloak would be.<P>Nice one __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.

10-15-2003, 12:16 AM	#7
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	With that pointed helmet and no visible face, it's got a vaguely Klan look to it - not that it's exactly wildly out of character for him, just thought I'd mention it. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

10-15-2003, 07:55 AM	#8
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Klan?<P>Anyway, that IS the WK, as it's his profile pic on <A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net" TARGET=_blank>www.lordoftherings.net</A> <P>And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! <P>Although how that trailer one doesn't get shot down is going to be...intersting... __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

10-15-2003, 01:33 PM	#9
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I wouldn't assume that. It seems to me the most likely thing is that the confrontation at the gate happens, more or less, as it does in the book. The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-15-2003, 05:02 PM	#10
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Squee!!! That is the scariest, doom-bringing thing that I have ever seen! Thanks, HC! __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

10-15-2003, 05:20 PM	#11
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree. That's is how I thought it would work out. Pippin is already with Gandalf there, so I would assume they're on the way to save Faramir. They shouldn't make that the confrontation with Gandalf and the WK. Hopefully they will have the whole scene with that play out like it does in the book.<BR>Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-15-2003, 11:28 PM	#12
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	Nah I don't think its really 'Klan'-like (thats the Klu Klux Klan Olorin) but the helm seems to resemble the crest-headed Pterodactyl. I remember reading somewhere (a JRRT letter methinks) that the idea for the Nazgul winged beasts Tolkien received were from Pterodactyls which were newly discovered at the time (I THINK) so maybe Howe and Lee decide to take up on the idea and give the Witch King that look.

10-16-2003, 05:12 AM	#13
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	I think this IS the confrontation scene. I think it might be a bit different to the book, in that we may already have had the pyre scene (i now believe it WILL be in after reading the review by quickbeam from theonering.net on another thread)<P>then gandalf and pippin 'confront' the wk. he flies off when he hears the rohirrim (doesn't look like we have them charging at dawn...)<P>because the wk is on his fell beast instead of his horse he get's to theoden much quicker than gandalf, and gandalf turns up (with pippin) "too late". this could also explain why pippin has been seen in various shots on the field of battle.....<P>anyway, probably totally wrong!

10-16-2003, 06:33 AM	#14
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	quote:<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> And THANK GOD this means they'll replace the "You cannot enter here!" passage with some lame rooftop-Nazgul sequence!!!!!!! <BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>I wouldn't assume that. It seems to me the most likely thing is that the confrontation at the gate happens, more or less, as it does in the book. The Nazgul on the "rooftop" is another bump in the road to trying to save Faramir's life.<P>H.C.<P>___________________________________ _________<P>Whoops! I emant thank god they WON'T replace it! (Which was what I was thinking might happen when I saw roof Nazgul on the trailer) __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

10-21-2003, 10:16 AM	#15
rudeboy Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Flitwick, Beds Posts: 47	Is it definetly the WK and not the Mouth, I thought WK had a crown and the MoS had a helmet!

10-21-2003, 05:11 PM	#16
Seagull Jonathan L. Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13	Ewwwww,it is so not me.Absolute lack of style.I would never put that thing on my head.But you are right,it's really scary. __________________ In Tyler we trust.

10-27-2003, 09:34 PM	#17
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	These are absolutely gorgeous, wallpaper sized shots of the Witch King.<P><A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking1_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Witch King 1</A><P><A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_witchking2_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Witch King 2</A><P>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates.<P>By the way, there's one of Shelob too.<P><A HREF="http://www.lordoftherings.net/media/desktops/creatures_shelob_1280.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Shelob</A><P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-28-2003, 01:09 AM	#18
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Oh, gosh, that is kind of scary!<BR>That mask, helmet, thing, oh my!<P>Now Shelob has totally not scared me at all, but that photo of the Witch King, well, Ahhhhhh... <P>But it is perfect though, he is supposed to be really freaky. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

10-28-2003, 04:12 AM	#19
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon...or England Posts: 364	Gorgeous? Interesting description...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Whoops! I emant thank god they WON'T replace it! (Which was what I was thinking might happen when I saw roof Nazgul on the trailer)<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh. I just thought you were being sarky.<P>To be honest, all this trying to figure out what will happen in the films is too tiring. I think I might just wait and see. __________________ '"Forweg can lead you no longer; for he is dead...I slew him...I will govern this fellowship now, or leave it." "As it was when he joined us, so it is again. He kills to make room."'

10-28-2003, 06:29 AM	#20
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Let's hope so. <P>I guessElentári's right...especially considering their stil shots and trailer scenes don't amtch anymore. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

10-28-2003, 06:34 AM	#21
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The second raises a question though because it is the Gandalf confrontation scene near the citidel that we saw in the preview packaged with the Towers DVD. It is not the same Nazgul as in the preview. My guess is that this is a composite that they put together to make a cool (and it is very cool) promotional image and doesn't represent the scene as it appears in the film. I don't think this is an indication that Gandalf doesn't meet the Witch King at the gates. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What I think this raises is that the version of the nazgul at the gates in the tt dvd has been updated, and we will now see it as shown on the wallpaper.<P>ie it IS the witch king that gandalf (and pippin) are confronting at this point on the preview dvd.<P>this view only has credence if these wallpapers are from the official site. are they?

10-28-2003, 09:47 AM	#22
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I see where you are coming from, but personally I have more faith in the preview packaged with Towers then a promotional image, even if it is from the official website.<P>Like it was previously mentioned, we'll just have to wait and see.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-29-2003, 06:14 AM	#23
Ancalagon_the_Black Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Withered Heath Posts: 10	Just a note, for those of you who are interested in exactly who the Nazgul were, and whence they came. <A HREF="http://www.rockjakten.com/nazgul_html/nazguls.html" TARGET=_blank>The Nine</A><P>Enjoy!<P>Now, onto topic. <P>That helmet reminds me of a helmet in a movie my little brother forced me to watch with him one time... I don't remember exactly what it was called... something like... Bionicle Somethingorother. Perhaps I sense a bit of plagiarism on someone's part... __________________ I have a signature. Isn't that great?

10-29-2003, 11:37 AM	#24
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Just a note, for those of you who are interested in exactly who the Nazgul were, and whence they came. The Nine <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Is that stuff correct? __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

10-29-2003, 01:45 PM	#25
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	<P>Aside from some basic information about the Witch-King and Khamûl, none of what is shown on that page is Tolkien-based. It's possibly been made up for a game. Enjoy it if you like that sort of thing, but don't take it as a fact... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

10-29-2003, 01:50 PM	#26
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Wow Ancalagon_the_Black, what a link...I wonder where all of the Nazgul's names came from, and all that info. Maybe from a Tolkien letter. Anyway, all these spoilers, rumors, pictures and essays make my toes curl all the more with anticipation. Hopefully this will just make my movie experience all the more climatic when I actually get to see it. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

10-30-2003, 05:41 AM	#27
Ancalagon_the_Black Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Withered Heath Posts: 10	Well, Estelyn Telcontar, I'm pretty for sure that they came from one of Tolkein's Letters, but I can't back that up properly. sheepish grin However, I can properly state that they weren't created for a game.<P>As far as I know, Sleept Ranger, most of them are accurate. I'm not certain about a few of them, but they all appear to be book canon. Maybe I'm not looking deep enough. __________________ I have a signature. Isn't that great?

10-30-2003, 06:33 AM	#28
Eurytus Wight Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: England Posts: 179	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well, Estelyn Telcontar, I'm pretty for sure that they came from one of Tolkein's Letters, but I can't back that up properly. sheepish grin However, I can properly state that they weren't created for a game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In fact I can confirm 100% that these were developed for a game. How do I know? I own the book in which they appear. They appear as part of the “Lords of Middle Earth” series, a range of books providing information for the Middle Earth Role Playing (MERP) game. The descriptions within the book are more detailed but it’s all made up of course, other than those for the Witchking and Khamul.<BR>It also contains other flights of fantasy such as Lungorthin, the white-fire Balrog who is the herald of Melkor’s throne room. __________________ "This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my suit against the movie The Neverending Story!" Lionel Hutz

11-02-2003, 06:12 AM	#29
Ancalagon_the_Black Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Withered Heath Posts: 10	I stand corrected! bows<P>I beg pardon for giving out any misleading information, LoL. __________________ I have a signature. Isn't that great?

11-08-2003, 11:22 AM	#30
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	I love that picture of the Witch King! I can't wait to see Eowyn defeating the Witch King in ROTK! __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

11-09-2003, 02:03 AM	#31
The Ninth Valar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The other side of over there Posts: 23	But that gaming stuff is just a random writer's imagination, right? Right. <P>One concern I have about the Witch King is his helmet: I think Mouth of Sauron when I see it. The big gaping maw in the lower half is how I pictured the Mouth's mask to look, while the Witch King, I pictured a crown on an invisible head or some such. Hm... __________________ This is not for you.

11-09-2003, 04:12 AM	#32
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Yep, that's all made up. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

11-09-2003, 08:29 AM	#33
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Oh that dunce-cap was just beautiful!<P>Witch-king: ROAR! ROAR! ROAR!<P>Nazgul No. 5: I wonder if he realizes that I replaced his helmet with a dunce cap. <P>The rest of the Nazgul: snicker snicker __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-09-2003, 03:49 PM	#34
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Ren the Unclean sounds like something the Barrow-Downs Name Generator might come up with. __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

11-09-2003, 05:33 PM	#35
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Sounds like Stimpy the Flatulent __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"