I have a cute lil' error I found in the Fellowship - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

07-18-2003, 11:57 PM

Okay. In the scene where the ringwraiths are chasing Arwen on their horses, and they do a faraway shot, there are only 8 nazgul riding, not 9 as there is supposed to be. And also look closely in the scene where the ringwraiths ride through bree, before they come into the inn. You can see, just for an instant, one of their faces !!

Everdawn · 07-19-2003, 02:43 AM

Yeah! and i just noticed that when they leave Rivendell they take Bill, on the pass of whatever it is, when they are on the snowey mountain there is no Bill the Pony, and when they end up at Moria There Bill is again.. wow, Bill must have a ring of his own.

Arathiriel · 07-19-2003, 11:49 AM

And is it me or are there only 7 of the 9 Ringwraiths when they reach the river? Seriously I could only count out 7, so my question is where were the other 2?

Eruwen · 07-19-2003, 12:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yeah! and i just noticed that when they leave Rivendell they take Bill, on the pass of whatever it is, when they are on the snowey mountain there is no Bill the Pony, and when they end up at Moria There Bill is again.. wow, Bill must have a ring of his own.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you sure he wasn't there? I'm not sure if they ever showed him, but I'm pretty sure they showed Sam holding a rope.

Silmiel of Imladris · 07-19-2003, 12:48 PM

It could have been just a rope and no pony. In my experience with horses there is only one thing that I can think of that would cause Bill not to be put in that scene intentionally and that is snow. It is not that horses don't like it, it is that ice can build up on the bottom of their hooves and they could slip and fall and that would be a really big mess. Although Bill is with them on the edge of the clif when Saurman brings the mountain down on their heads but that was a more controlled environment maybe.

Daisy Brambleburr · 07-19-2003, 12:58 PM

Ah, the mystery of the dissapering pony. A popular game between my brother and I is 'spot Bill'. Also, you see that no one bothers to hide Bill when the crebain fly over. Sometimes Bill wasn't there, like in the Midgewater Marshes, because Sean Astin was holding a rope with someone from the production crew on the end. And as for the Ringwraiths, (this may not apply) but in some parts not all the Ringwraiths are present intentionally. But maybe the chase-wraith had to stop to get a fly out of his eye?

The Only Real Estel · 07-19-2003, 03:40 PM

You can also see the face of a blackrider when he knockes over one of the hobbits bed in a fury at Bree, except in the extended version. They corrected the 'face mistakes' in the extended VHS/DVD.

Novlamothien · 07-22-2003, 02:46 PM

About bill not being on Caradhras: The location where that scene was filmed was only reachable(Is that even a word?) by helicopter, so it would have been hard to bring a pony along. Namarie

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 07-22-2003, 06:33 PM

Also, the whole "We must get off the mountain, make for the Gap of Rohan, etc etc" scene was filmed on a set indoors, and it would have been extremely difficult to have a pony along in there. Also, the false snow would have been an irritant to its skin.

HCIsland · 07-27-2003, 08:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The location where that scene was filmed was only reachable(Is that even a word?) by helicopter, so it would have been hard to bring a pony along. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> They had a pantimime pony for such shots - that is the old two guys in a horse suit. I suspect they had it up there but it didn't make it into the final film.H.C.

Sapphire_Flame · 07-28-2003, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And is it me or are there only 7 of the 9 Ringwraiths when they reach the river? Seriously I could only count out 7, so my question is where were the other 2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Count the swords when they pull them out. There are nine.Abedithon le,~*~Aranel~*~

Durelin · 07-28-2003, 07:40 PM

I'd be sick of editing that movie by then, wouldn't you?If I may be so rude to say so, close your mouths, sit back and take...and enjoy the show.

The Only Real Estel · 07-28-2003, 08:11 PM

Durelin: Ah, but some feel the need to get some things off their chest. 7 Ringwraiths instead of 9 is rather major compared to some other nitpicks some people have brought up. If it bothers you than, if I may be so rude: Don't read posts that have to do with nitpicking. [ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-18-2003, 11:57 PM	#1
Being Evil Rocks Guest Posts: n/a	I have a cute lil' error I found in the Fellowship Okay. In the scene where the ringwraiths are chasing Arwen on their horses, and they do a faraway shot, there are only 8 nazgul riding, not 9 as there is supposed to be. And also look closely in the scene where the ringwraiths ride through bree, before they come into the inn. You can see, just for an instant, one of their faces !!

07-19-2003, 02:43 AM	#2
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	Yeah! and i just noticed that when they leave Rivendell they take Bill, on the pass of whatever it is, when they are on the snowey mountain there is no Bill the Pony, and when they end up at Moria There Bill is again.. wow, Bill must have a ring of his own. __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

07-19-2003, 11:49 AM	#3
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	And is it me or are there only <B>7</B> of the 9 Ringwraiths when they reach the river? Seriously I could only count out 7, so my question is <B>where</B> were the other 2?<P> __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

07-19-2003, 12:20 PM	#4
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yeah! and i just noticed that when they leave Rivendell they take Bill, on the pass of whatever it is, when they are on the snowey mountain there is no Bill the Pony, and when they end up at Moria There Bill is again.. wow, Bill must have a ring of his own.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you sure he wasn't there? I'm not sure if they ever <I>showed</I> him, but I'm pretty sure they showed Sam holding a rope.

07-19-2003, 12:48 PM	#5
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	It could have been just a rope and no pony. In my experience with horses there is only one thing that I can think of that would cause Bill not to be put in that scene intentionally and that is snow. It is not that horses don't like it, it is that ice can build up on the bottom of their hooves and they could slip and fall and that would be a really big mess. Although Bill is with them on the edge of the clif when Saurman brings the mountain down on their heads but that was a more controlled environment maybe. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

07-19-2003, 12:58 PM	#6
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	Ah, the mystery of the dissapering pony. A popular game between my brother and I is 'spot Bill'. Also, you see that no one bothers to hide Bill when the crebain fly over. Sometimes Bill wasn't there, like in the Midgewater Marshes, because Sean Astin was holding a rope with someone from the production crew on the end. <BR>And as for the Ringwraiths, (this may not apply) but in some parts not all the Ringwraiths are present intentionally. But maybe the chase-wraith had to stop to get a fly out of his eye? __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

07-19-2003, 03:40 PM	#7
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	You can also see the face of a blackrider when he knockes over one of the hobbits bed in a fury at Bree, except in the extended version. They corrected the 'face mistakes' in the extended VHS/DVD.

07-22-2003, 02:46 PM	#8
Novlamothien Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A white, wintry wonderland-in the South!! Posts: 75	About bill not being on Caradhras:<BR> The location where that scene was filmed was only reachable(Is that even a word?) by helicopter, so it would have been hard to bring a pony along. <P> Namarie __________________ "He said if I had the cheek to make verses about Earendil in the house of Elrond that was my affair." ~Bilbo~

07-22-2003, 06:33 PM	#9
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Also, the whole "We must get off the mountain, make for the Gap of Rohan, etc etc" scene was filmed on a set indoors, and it would have been extremely difficult to have a pony along in there. Also, the false snow would have been an irritant to its skin. __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

07-27-2003, 08:58 PM	#10
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The location where that scene was filmed was only reachable(Is that even a word?) by helicopter, so it would have been hard to bring a pony along. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They had a pantimime pony for such shots - that is the old two guys in a horse suit. I suspect they had it up there but it didn't make it into the final film.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

07-28-2003, 05:58 PM	#11
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And is it me or are there only 7 of the 9 Ringwraiths when they reach the river? Seriously I could only count out 7, so my question is where were the other 2?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Count the swords when they pull them out. There are nine.<P>Abedithon le,<P>~~Aranel~~ __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

07-28-2003, 07:40 PM	#12
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I'd be sick of editing that movie by then, wouldn't you?<P>If I may be so rude to say so, close your mouths, sit back and take...and enjoy the show.<P>

07-28-2003, 08:11 PM	#13
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Durelin: Ah, but some feel the need to get some things off their chest. 7 Ringwraiths instead of 9 is rather major compared to some other nitpicks some people have brought up. If it bothers you than, if I may be so rude: Don't read posts that have to do with nitpicking. <p>[ July 28, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

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