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Sauron the deciever · 05-17-2003, 07:35 PM

Hi, I know this has been brought up before but I swear I cant find it anywhere! In the first movie when Frodo was looking in the mirror he sees legolas but no-one else from the fellowship..actually I think sam might be in there too. Anyway, why legolas? Can anyone give me a link to this topic?

Iarwain · 05-17-2003, 08:36 PM

So brief.Actually, I don't recall any other threads on this topic, so here's a response from the Master. Sam is indeed shown in the mirror, and legolas, and sauron, and (presumably) the gaffer. Why? These are probably some of the most favorite characters of the audience, that is, PJ planned it to be so. (Gotta flash as much of Orli as possible for all those nazgirls) The whole scene was ruined anyway, so what does it matter?Just a pointer: we could be asking why Bilbo had to have a red waistcoat at the beginning of the film, and we'd probably get just as much of a profitable response. Reach for the sky, don't dig in the dirt.Iarwain

Gildor15 · 05-17-2003, 09:37 PM

I agree with Iarwain. The scene is already ruined so it doesn't really matter. I was thinking, why would they show the Shire being ruined if The Scouring of the Shire isn't even going to be included in the RotK?

Tarien Ithil · 05-17-2003, 11:39 PM

I agree with both of you but maybe ole Legolas in the mirror made some people feel that he'll die or somthing in the end (a sad time that will be for the nazgirls!)

Niluial · 05-18-2003, 01:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I agree with both of you but maybe ole Legolas in the mirror made some people feel that he'll die or something in the end. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yea.. maybe!! I also agree with both of you! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> a sad time that will be for the nazgirls! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Lol yea!!

Meela · 05-18-2003, 05:26 AM

If you see the extended version, those shots are from Lorien. Haldir had told Frodo that he brought great evil to Lorien. They were sat on a flet, and everyone looked at him, as shown in the mirror, only Gimli also did a glance. I don't think the choice of Legolas (and also Sam and Merry and Pippin) had any significance but to show the Fellowship to Frodo in the mirror. I think they were just adding random other members so the whole group was covered in the shot. After the glances, Boromir had a talk with Frodo, and Aragorn was talking to Haldir. It was just showing them all, if briefly.[ May 18, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ]

dunadan_aragorn · 05-19-2003, 11:55 AM

Quoth the Raven In the extended edition the Fellowship all look at Frodo angrily, because it's his fault they can't enter Lothlorien Nevermore

05-19-2003, 12:22 PM

Quoth the Raven I luv dunadan_aragorn's pic, joaquin phoenix rox! Nevermore

05-19-2003, 12:33 PM

yupyup

HCIsland · 05-19-2003, 06:06 PM

I agree with Meela, the scene makes more sense in the special edition as it connects those images back to the scene on the flet. I think the're meant to show Frodo's feelings of having to distance himself from the Fellowship. Also how much rides on the decisions that he makes. These people's fates depend upon Frodo's decision on whether to strike it alone. From Frodo's persective, they are in danger as long as he is around.As for the scenes of The Shire. That wasn't the scouring of The Shire, it was the razing of The Shire and as Galadriel very clearly states, "this is what will happen should you fail."H.C.

The Only Real Estel · 05-19-2003, 06:32 PM

This is what happens when you don't get there first. I was going to say what HC said. Why does it matter if they show the shire burning? As HC said, Galadriel said it would come to pass IF Frodo failed. The scene just showed non-book-readers more of the importance of having the Ring destroyed. I don't have a problem with it.

05-17-2003, 07:35 PM	#1
Sauron the deciever Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 28	I know this has been brought up before but.. Hi, I know this has been brought up before but I swear I cant find it anywhere! In the first movie when Frodo was looking in the mirror he sees legolas but no-one else from the fellowship..actually I think sam might be in there too. Anyway, why legolas? Can anyone give me a link to this topic?

05-17-2003, 08:36 PM	#2
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	So brief.<P>Actually, I don't recall any other threads on this topic, so here's a response from the Master. Sam is indeed shown in the mirror, and legolas, and sauron, and (presumably) the gaffer. Why? These are probably some of the most favorite characters of the audience, that is, PJ planned it to be so. (Gotta flash as much of Orli as possible for all those nazgirls) The whole scene was ruined anyway, so what does it matter?<P>Just a pointer: we could be asking why Bilbo had to have a red waistcoat at the beginning of the film, and we'd probably get just as much of a profitable response. Reach for the sky, don't dig in the dirt.<P>Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

05-17-2003, 09:37 PM	#3
Gildor15 Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2003 Location: Holland, Michigan, United States Posts: 16	I agree with Iarwain. The scene is already ruined so it doesn't really matter. I was thinking, why would they show the Shire being ruined if The Scouring of the Shire isn't even going to be included in the RotK? __________________ "Go not to the Elves for counsel, for they will say both no and yes."-Frodo

05-17-2003, 11:39 PM	#4
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	I agree with both of you but maybe ole Legolas in the mirror made some people feel that he'll die or somthing in the end (a sad time that will be for the nazgirls!) __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

05-18-2003, 01:32 AM	#5
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I agree with both of you but maybe ole Legolas in the mirror made some people feel that he'll die or something in the end. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yea.. maybe!! I also agree with both of you!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> a sad time that will be for the nazgirls! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Lol yea!! __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

05-18-2003, 05:26 AM	#6
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	If you see the extended version, those shots are from Lorien. Haldir had told Frodo that he brought great evil to Lorien. They were sat on a flet, and everyone looked at him, as shown in the mirror, only Gimli also did a glance. I don't think the choice of Legolas (and also Sam and Merry and Pippin) had any significance but to show the Fellowship to Frodo in the mirror.<BR>I think they were just adding random other members so the whole group was covered in the shot. After the glances, Boromir had a talk with Frodo, and Aragorn was talking to Haldir. It was just showing them all, if briefly.<p>[ May 18, 2003: Message edited by: Meela ] __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

05-19-2003, 11:55 AM	#7
dunadan_aragorn Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the bowels of Moria Posts: 105	Quoth the Raven<BR>In the extended edition the Fellowship all look at Frodo angrily, because it's his fault they can't enter Lothlorien<BR>Nevermore __________________ Allia Octa Est, The Die is Cast -Julius Ceaser

05-19-2003, 12:22 PM	#8
Evelyn O' Sihinesay Guest Posts: n/a	Quoth the Raven<BR>I luv dunadan_aragorn's pic, joaquin phoenix rox!<BR>Nevermore

05-19-2003, 12:33 PM	#9
Evelyn O' Sihinesay Guest Posts: n/a	yupyup

05-19-2003, 06:06 PM	#10
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I agree with Meela, the scene makes more sense in the special edition as it connects those images back to the scene on the flet. I think the're meant to show Frodo's feelings of having to distance himself from the Fellowship. Also how much rides on the decisions that he makes. These people's fates depend upon Frodo's decision on whether to strike it alone. From Frodo's persective, they are in danger as long as he is around.<P>As for the scenes of The Shire. That wasn't the scouring of The Shire, it was the razing of The Shire and as Galadriel very clearly states, "this is what will happen should you fail."<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-19-2003, 06:32 PM	#11
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	This is what happens when you don't get there first. I was going to say what HC said. Why does it matter if they show the shire burning? As HC said, Galadriel said it would come to pass IF Frodo failed. The scene just showed non-book-readers more of the importance of having the Ring destroyed. I don't have a problem with it.

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