Which Faramir is best? Book or Movie? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Only Real Estel · 07-22-2003, 04:05 PM

First things first: NO ARUEING, FIGHTING, AND ABSOLUTLY NO TALKING ABOUT 'HOW TERRIBLE THE MOVIE FARAMIR IS' (I put that in to appease Noxumanus, who's post is down from mine about it). Pleeaase. I haven't started this to cause fights, I just want to no your opinion. So, WITHOUT any expaination (maybe 1-1.5 lines if you MUST), answer this question: Which Faramir did you prefer, the Book Faramir, or the Movie Faramir? Please don't take up a bunch of lines just to say you don't know. If you truly can't decide just put this: Undecided. I'll post the 'results' (as I always do) in about 2 weeks-1 month, depending on this threads popularity. My vote goes to the Book Faramir. [ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Noxomanus · 07-22-2003, 05:15 PM

Please,don't ever start a thread like this again.Now everyone will tell us again why movie Faramir sucked,you know what they will answer so don't ask.

The Only Real Estel · 07-22-2003, 05:38 PM

Noxomanus: Sorry, but there's a legitement enough number that likes BOTH versions of Faramir to warrant this topic. And I said in my original post that there WILL BE NO ARGUING, if that's not clear enough I don't know what is. Proceed. [ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-22-2003, 07:13 PM

Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here. But it's not really comparing like with like, for they are really two different characters in two different stories. Book Faramir is a wonderful character within the context of the Books. But I believe (for the reasons explained <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002188" TARGET=_blank>on this Faramir thread</A>) that Film Faramir works well within the context of the Films.So, that's a vote for each from me.

Beren87 · 07-22-2003, 07:38 PM

This is possibly the worst place to ask that question. =PBook Faramir, o'course.

The X Phial · 07-22-2003, 08:01 PM

Personally, I cannot fathom choosing the movie Faramir, so my answer is Book, resoundingly.

Cinderella · 07-22-2003, 08:16 PM

Unquestionably, Book Faramir

The Only Real Estel · 07-22-2003, 08:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True. But a lot of that flak comes from adament Faramir Movie dis-likers (I'm being nice ), like me & others. Anyway, I thought it'd be nice to get some straight answers from people on the subject, hopefully without all the ranting & raving (from both sides) that usually accompanies other topics on Faramir. [ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Iarwain · 07-22-2003, 09:59 PM

Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior. , Iarwain

Lyta_Underhill · 07-22-2003, 10:32 PM

Even if I had liked Movie Faramir more, I'd still choose Book Faramir. And, if Movie Faramir had been Book Faramir, that means Movie Frodo could have been Book Frodo (or much closer to it!), and then all would be well! That's about as short as I can make it!Cheers, Lyta

Lord of Angmar · 07-22-2003, 10:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would have to disagree entirely. The movie Faramir was too much akin too his brother, and had no "Elvish" quality as it was described in the book. His choices paralleled his brother's (I am of the belief that Boromir repented of his efforts to get the Ring after Frodo ran away, much as Movie Faramir repented). The fact that the characters in the movie so closely resembled each other, in my mind at least, defeated Tolkien's purpose entirely.This is perhaps the third or fourth Faramir thread I have responded to. They seem to keep popping up in the Movies section.

Darby · 07-23-2003, 06:25 AM

Book Faramir! I guess I'll explain why in the other thread.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-23-2003, 08:02 AM

Thought so! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But a lot of that flak comes from adament Farimir Movie dis-likers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The problem is that there are very few, if any, fans of the Books who would consider Film Faramir to be a more worthy and noble character than Book Faramir, even among those (like me) who like the Films and feel that Faramir's character in TTT works well. This is because Book Faramir manifestly is the more worthy and noble character.But you are not asking which is the more worthy and noble Faramir. You are asking which one people prefer and my answer to that is I prefer Book Faramir in the context of the Books and Film Faramir in the context of the Films?

Meneltarmacil · 07-23-2003, 10:07 AM

I vote for Film Faramir, as he certainly seems more believable as a human being. But for all those out there who say that he is far different from the book Faramir, I give you the following (as I have already stated in my last thread.) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>FARAMIR: I think at last we understand one another, Frodo Baggins. SOLDIER: You know the laws of our country, the laws of your father. If you let them go, your life will be forfeit. FARAMIR: Then it is forfeit. Release them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ]

Meela · 07-23-2003, 10:07 AM

Movie, movie, movie, movie, movie. I despised the book Faramir.

Iarwain · 07-23-2003, 10:12 AM

Very good, lord of angmar, I agree utterly. Iarwain

Nehani · 07-23-2003, 11:54 AM

Book Faramir. I don't know why PJ changed the character around so much. Now, it's like Gondor has a bad rep or something.Nehani of the Forests

Faramir Fan · 07-23-2003, 12:08 PM

BookBoromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal.

Estella Brandybuck · 07-23-2003, 02:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Boromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My thoughts exactly.Now don't me wrong, I'm not going to bash the movies (hey, the first movie was what got me into the books!). I understand why the changes were made. I understand, but didn't enjoy. Book Faramir just seemed so much more gentle and intelligent to me. Also, in the movie, it was almost like Faramir looked down on the hobbits as inferior beings, and I just can't see Faramir doing that... But hey, that's just my opinion. The one thing that made movie Faramir tolerable for me was that he was played by a great actor. David Wenham's performance saved me from running out of the theatre in tears, and I have high hopes for him in RotK.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-23-2003, 03:34 PM

My impression of the Faramir in the books was that he had a greater sense of what ought to be done. He was a more thoughtful and introspective character than his brother, which was why he took it upon himself to allow the Ring to pass on and did not try to take it into his keeping. I feel that the film portrayed him as a suspicious, small-minded and bureaucratic man, without the clear, decisive thinking that distinguished his literary counterpart. Moreover his very motivation for trying to detain Frodo seems different in the books: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>[Frodo]'Then what would you have me do?' [Faramir]'I know not. Only I would not have you go to death or torment. And I do not think that Mithrandir would have chosen this way.'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The film makes taking the Ring to Minas Tirith his motivation, which doesn't sit well to my mind with his respect for Gandalf's judgement.I fail to see, Meela, what there was to despise about Tolkien's version of Faramir: he was clearly a very able commander, and he was certainly no coward; but he combined these soldierly virtues with common sense and decency. Perhaps you could enlighten us with the passages that led you to your opinion.[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

Meela · 07-23-2003, 04:43 PM

My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong.I found the film Faramir highly intriguing.There is nothing wrong with the book Faramir. I just didn't take to him.

The Only Real Estel · 07-23-2003, 05:58 PM

Meneltarmacil: Dear God, please don't bring that up. That will cause the very fights that I'm trying to avoid. A lot of people already replied to the 'redemption' of Faramir because of that quote on your thread. P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... [ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-23-2003, 06:27 PM

Movie Faramir came as a surprise to me, to say the least, as I found him barely recognizable. But as Saucepan says, he is indeed a different character in a different story. That said, my vote is for Book Faramir (and incidentally, Book Story) .Sophia

Meela · 07-23-2003, 07:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks I made it up a while ago for a thread, and stored it away for future Denethor worship.I know I seem like a fickle idiot, but I'm gonna say book Faramir has a certain attraction. I'm now torn between the two. No... I'm sticking with Mr. Movie Evil. I always go for the freaks and the evil guys. Why change the habit of a lifetime?

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 07-23-2003, 07:31 PM

Book Faramir... He was just... cooler... nobler... more heroic... more Faramir-like. Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?)

Meela · 07-23-2003, 07:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have every confidence that it will all turn out just peachy in Rotk. I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Most likely I have nothing better to do... And thanks! I love my sig too It's this sort of time when you wish the "Who's Got The Best Signature" thread open... I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 07-23-2003, 07:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Me too! Very much indeed!

Lyta_Underhill · 07-23-2003, 07:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I found Eowyn much more intriguing in this part of the book, since she was the one who had to come around and escape the dark cloud; it will be interesting if the movie does a clearer job of showing Eowyn's process of casting off the darkness and embracing Faramir and the light he offers her! Cheers, Lyta

The Only Real Estel · 07-24-2003, 08:42 AM

Meela on her sig: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Strange, part of what makes it so funny to me is that it all ties into the events in RotK!

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-24-2003, 09:01 AM

I love book-Faramir I hate movie-Faramir

**lindil** · 07-24-2003, 09:26 AM

I think the question is premature. We have yet to see the RotK Movie Faramir, so we are judging on partial evidence. So despite the fact that all evidence is not in,I will vote for the Book Faramir...--warning my opinion below-- ..since he is Faramir, and PJ's is an abberation that only came into existence because of a strange confluence of millions of dollars, widespread exsposue and enormous ego to 'better' the LotR.[ July 24, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

The Only Real Estel · 07-24-2003, 11:54 AM

That's okay lindil, although I suggest that you could just post your vote & then say you'll post your explaination for those who wish to read it in Meletarmacil's thread called 'Faramir'. That'd work just as well, or close to it. [ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Guinevere · 07-24-2003, 01:12 PM

I vote for Book-Faramir, of course. I think, anyone who knows the books well, will do so. Meela who voted for Movie-Faramir wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's just the point! The conversation of Faramir with the hobbits stretches over 3 chapters! But if you don't remember that.... I will refrain myself from saying more, Lindil already wrote exactly what I think.

Meela · 07-24-2003, 01:59 PM

Three chapters?? Are you sure? Of course you are... you've read it... Well, either I'm going blind, stupid, or I fell into a coma whilst reading, because I do not remember seeing that much.

**lindil** · 07-24-2003, 02:32 PM

The Faramir chapters are sublime, especially after the hobbits endure the Emyn Muil, the despair of the Black Gate and journeying with Gollum.Even more than with Aragorn we get to see the nobility and wisdom of Men, before Farmir they are obscurely buried away in Aragorn for the most part. Faramir fleshes out that which was previously hinted at.The movie dispenses with all of this to gives u... I'd better stop nowoh and or Estel, I have edited my vote as per your suggestion.

lore_master · 07-24-2003, 06:06 PM

duuuhhhhh!!!!!!, book farimir is way better, he is supposed to be noble and kind, but they made him just like his father and brother mean and uglymeanie pants

Himaran · 07-25-2003, 04:59 PM

The book, the book, definantly. In the movie Faramir was made out to be a character that became corrupt upon seeing such a prize as the ring. In the book, he was a noble man with legendary self control; a great contrast between himself and his brother Boromir.There's my 2 cents.Himaran

Maeglanthirion · 07-27-2003, 07:24 PM

Book Faramir, definately. In the books, he was clearly much stronger mentally than Boromir. He is much more noble and kind than the weaker Boromir. The movie made him almost opposite than him in the book. My vote is for book Faramir!

Lhunardawen · 07-27-2003, 07:53 PM

I love the Book Faramir, though while I was rereading RotK, I was imagining movie Faramir. I can't wait to see him doing the book Faramir stuff in the movie.

Gorwingel · 07-27-2003, 08:11 PM

Book FaramirI choose him because for me he was a charater that I actually cared about because of the way he acted. In the book he wasn't exactly nice, but then he wasn't exactly as mean as he was in the film. In the movie the charater was terrible, and I personally think that they took unecessary changes. The book Faramir could have fit in fine into the film, but I guess PJ did not think that this section of the book had enough drama or something like that.Though I may have a different opinion though when the extended edition. He is a charater that I really want to care about though.

07-22-2003, 04:05 PM	#1
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Which Faramir is best? Book or Movie? First things first: NO ARUEING, FIGHTING, AND ABSOLUTLY NO TALKING ABOUT 'HOW TERRIBLE THE MOVIE FARAMIR IS' (I put that in to appease Noxumanus, who's post is down from mine about it). Pleeaase. I haven't started this to cause fights, I just want to no your opinion. So, WITHOUT any expaination (maybe 1-1.5 lines if you MUST), answer this question: Which Faramir did you prefer, the Book Faramir, or the Movie Faramir? Please don't take up a bunch of lines just to say you don't know. If you truly can't decide just put this: Undecided. I'll post the 'results' (as I always do) in about 2 weeks-1 month, depending on this threads popularity. <B>My vote goes to the Book Faramir.</B> <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-22-2003, 05:15 PM	#2
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	Please,don't ever start a thread like this again.Now everyone will tell us again why movie Faramir sucked,you know what they will answer so don't ask. __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

07-22-2003, 05:38 PM	#3
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Noxomanus: Sorry, but there's a legitement enough number that likes BOTH versions of Faramir to warrant this topic. And I said in my original post that there WILL BE NO ARGUING, if that's not clear enough I don't know what is. Proceed. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-22-2003, 07:13 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here. But it's not really comparing like with like, for they are really two different characters in two different stories. Book Faramir is a wonderful character within the context of the Books. But I believe (for the reasons explained <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002188" TARGET=_blank>on this Faramir thread</A>) that Film Faramir works well within the context of the Films.<P>So, that's a vote for each from me. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-22-2003, 07:38 PM	#5
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	This is possibly the worst place to ask that question. =P<P>Book Faramir, o'course.

07-22-2003, 08:01 PM	#6
The X Phial Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Out there with the truth. Come find me. Posts: 317	Personally, I cannot fathom choosing the movie Faramir, so my answer is Book, resoundingly. __________________ But then there was a star danced, and under that was I born.

07-22-2003, 08:16 PM	#7
Cinderella Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arda Unmarred, MA Posts: 173	Unquestionably, Book Faramir __________________ These violent delights have violent ends... "Live fast, die young, and have a beautiful looking corpse." -J. Dean

07-22-2003, 08:41 PM	#8
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Well I should imagine that virtually everyone will vote for Book Faramir, given the amount of flak that Film Faramir gets around here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True. But a lot of that flak comes from adament Faramir Movie dis-likers (I'm being nice ), like me & others. Anyway, I thought it'd be nice to get some straight answers from people on the subject, hopefully without all the ranting & raving (from both sides) that usually accompanies other topics on Faramir. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-22-2003, 09:59 PM	#9
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior.<P><BR> ,<BR>Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

07-22-2003, 10:32 PM	#10
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Even if I had liked Movie Faramir more, I'd still choose Book Faramir. And, if Movie Faramir had been Book Faramir, that means Movie Frodo could have been Book Frodo (or much closer to it!), and then all would be well! That's about as short as I can make it!<P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

07-22-2003, 10:44 PM	#11
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Hm. After much deliberation, I must say that movie Faramir was far superior. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I would have to disagree entirely. The movie Faramir was too much akin too his brother, and had no "Elvish" quality as it was described in the book. His choices paralleled his brother's (I am of the belief that Boromir repented of his efforts to get the Ring after Frodo ran away, much as Movie Faramir repented). The fact that the characters in the movie so closely resembled each other, in my mind at least, defeated Tolkien's purpose entirely.<P>This is perhaps the third or fourth Faramir thread I have responded to. They seem to keep popping up in the Movies section. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

07-23-2003, 06:25 AM	#12
Darby Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The land of ice and snow. Posts: 32	Book Faramir!<BR>I guess I'll explain why in the other thread. __________________ My favorite scene that never made it into the movie: "By Elbereth and Luthien the fair," said Frodo with a last effort, lifting up his sword, "You shall have neither the Ring nor me!"

07-23-2003, 08:02 AM	#13
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thought so! <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But a lot of that flak comes from adament Farimir Movie dis-likers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The problem is that there are very few, if any, fans of the Books who would consider Film Faramir to be a more worthy and noble character than Book Faramir, even among those (like me) who like the Films and feel that Faramir's character in TTT works well. This is because Book Faramir manifestly is the more worthy and noble character.<P>But you are not asking which is the more worthy and noble Faramir. You are asking which one people prefer and my answer to that is I prefer Book Faramir in the context of the Books and Film Faramir in the context of the Films? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-23-2003, 10:07 AM	#14
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I vote for Film Faramir, as he certainly seems more believable as a human being. But for all those out there who say that he is far different from the book Faramir, I give you the following (as I have already stated in my last thread.) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>FARAMIR: I think at last we understand one another, Frodo Baggins.<BR>SOLDIER: You know the laws of our country, the laws of your father. If you let them go, your life will be forfeit.<BR>FARAMIR: Then it is forfeit. Release them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Meneltarmacil ] __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

07-23-2003, 10:07 AM	#15
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Movie, movie, movie, movie, movie. I despised the book Faramir. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-23-2003, 10:12 AM	#16
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Very good, lord of angmar, I agree utterly. <P>Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

07-23-2003, 11:54 AM	#17
Nehani Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mirkwood (or something like it) Posts: 80	Book Faramir. I don't know why PJ changed the character around so much. Now, it's like Gondor has a bad rep or something.<P>Nehani of the Forests __________________ "Been A Long Road To Follow, Been There And Gone Tomorrow Without Saying Goodbye To Yesterday..." "The Way Is Closed. It Was Made By Those Who are Dead. The Way is Closed."

07-23-2003, 12:08 PM	#18
Faramir Fan Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 72	Book<P>Boromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal. __________________ "A new character has come on the scene (I am sure I did not invent him, I did not even want him, though I like him, but there he came walking into the woods of Ithilien): Faramir, the brother of Boromir..." J.R.R. Tolkien, Letters No. 66

07-23-2003, 02:18 PM	#19
Estella Brandybuck Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Satellite of Love Posts: 73	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Boromir died, and I thought cloning was illegal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>My thoughts exactly.<P>Now don't me wrong, I'm not going to bash the movies (hey, the first movie was what got me into the books!). I understand why the changes were made. I understand, but didn't enjoy. Book Faramir just seemed so much more gentle and intelligent to me. Also, in the movie, it was almost like Faramir looked down on the hobbits as inferior beings, and I just can't see Faramir doing that... But hey, that's just my opinion. <P>The one thing that made movie Faramir tolerable for me was that he was played by a great actor. David Wenham's performance saved me from running out of the theatre in tears, and I have high hopes for him in RotK. __________________ "But the Rohirrim sang no more. Death they cried with one voice loud and terrible, and gathering speed like a great tide their battle swept about their fallen king and passed, roaring away southwards." - RotK Do you enjoy reading and writing LotR fanfiction?

07-23-2003, 03:34 PM	#20
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	My impression of the Faramir in the books was that he had a greater sense of what ought to be done. He was a more thoughtful and introspective character than his brother, which was why he took it upon himself to allow the Ring to pass on and did not try to take it into his keeping. I feel that the film portrayed him as a suspicious, small-minded and bureaucratic man, without the clear, decisive thinking that distinguished his literary counterpart. <P>Moreover his very motivation for trying to detain Frodo seems different in the books: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>[Frodo]'Then what would you have me do?'<BR>[Faramir]'I know not. Only I would not have you go to death or torment. And I do not think that Mithrandir would have chosen this way.'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The film makes taking the Ring to Minas Tirith his motivation, which doesn't sit well to my mind with his respect for Gandalf's judgement.<P>I fail to see, Meela, what there was to despise about Tolkien's version of Faramir: he was clearly a very able commander, and he was certainly no coward; but he combined these soldierly virtues with common sense and decency. Perhaps you could enlighten us with the passages that led you to your opinion.<p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-23-2003, 04:43 PM	#21
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong.<P>I found the film Faramir highly intriguing.<P>There is nothing wrong with the book Faramir. I just didn't take to him. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-23-2003, 05:58 PM	#22
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Meneltarmacil: Dear God, please don't bring that up. That will cause the very fights that I'm trying to avoid. A lot of people already replied to the 'redemption' of Faramir because of that quote on your thread. P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-23-2003, 06:27 PM	#23
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Movie Faramir came as a surprise to me, to say the least, as I found him barely recognizable. But as Saucepan says, he is indeed a different character in a different story. <P>That said, my vote is for Book Faramir (and incidentally, Book Story) .<P>Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-23-2003, 07:24 PM	#24
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> P.S. Meela, I LOOOVE your sig, although I just now noticed it... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks I made it up a while ago for a thread, and stored it away for future Denethor worship.<P>I know I seem like a fickle idiot, but I'm gonna say book Faramir has a certain attraction. I'm now torn between the two. No... I'm sticking with Mr. Movie Evil. I always go for the freaks and the evil guys. Why change the habit of a lifetime? __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-23-2003, 07:31 PM	#25
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Book Faramir... He was just... cooler... nobler... more heroic... more Faramir-like. Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?) __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

07-23-2003, 07:38 PM	#26
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Now let's just hope PJ redeems him in ROTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have every confidence that it will all turn out just peachy in Rotk. I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> And Meela, your sig is hilarious! I read it for the first time and laughed! I love it! (How do you come up with these things? Too much time on your hands?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Most likely I have nothing better to do... And thanks! I love my sig too It's this sort of time when you wish the "Who's Got The Best Signature" thread open... I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-23-2003, 07:41 PM	#27
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Me too! Very much indeed! __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

07-23-2003, 07:48 PM	#28
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm especially looking forward to romantic Faramir in the Houses Of Healing.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I found Eowyn much more intriguing in this part of the book, since she was the one who had to come around and escape the dark cloud; it will be interesting if the movie does a clearer job of showing Eowyn's process of casting off the darkness and embracing Faramir and the light he offers her! <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

07-24-2003, 08:42 AM	#29
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Meela on her sig: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I've had a lot of people tell me they love it, even people who have no idea who Denethor is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Strange, part of what makes it so funny to me is that it all ties into the events in RotK! <BR>

07-24-2003, 09:01 AM	#30
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	I love book-Faramir<BR>I hate movie-Faramir __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

07-24-2003, 09:26 AM	#31
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	I think the question is premature. We have yet to see the RotK Movie Faramir, so we are judging on partial evidence. So despite the fact that all evidence is not in,I will vote for the Book Faramir...<P><I>--warning my opinion below--</I><P> ..since he <B>is</B> Faramir, and PJ's is an abberation that only came into existence because of a strange confluence of millions of dollars, widespread exsposue and enormous ego to 'better' the LotR.<p>[ July 24, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

07-24-2003, 11:54 AM	#32
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	That's okay lindil, although I suggest that you could just post your vote & then say you'll post your explaination for those who wish to read it in Meletarmacil's thread called 'Faramir'. That'd work just as well, or close to it. <p>[ July 26, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

07-24-2003, 01:12 PM	#33
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	I vote for Book-Faramir, of course. I think, anyone who knows the books well, will do so.<BR>Meela who voted for Movie-Faramir wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>My knowledge of the books is very hazy, but from what I remember, which is very little indeed, Faramir did little more than to stop the hobbits, say hello, and let them pass. I'm obviously very wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's just the point! The conversation of Faramir with the hobbits stretches over 3 chapters! But if you don't remember that.... <BR>I will refrain myself from saying more, Lindil already wrote exactly what I think. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

07-24-2003, 01:59 PM	#34
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Three chapters?? Are you sure? Of course you are... you've read it... Well, either I'm going blind, stupid, or I fell into a coma whilst reading, because I do not remember seeing that much. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-24-2003, 02:32 PM	#35
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	The Faramir chapters are sublime, especially after the hobbits endure the Emyn Muil, the despair of the Black Gate and journeying with Gollum.<P>Even more than with Aragorn we get to see the nobility and wisdom of Men, before Farmir they are obscurely buried away in Aragorn for the most part. Faramir fleshes out that which was previously hinted at.<P>The movie dispenses with all of this to gives u... I'd better stop now<P>oh and or Estel, I have edited my vote as per your suggestion. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.