Shelob - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Arvedui III · 02-07-2003, 05:27 PM

Just a question, Did anybody feel a little disapionted that shelob wasn't in TTT?Arvedui

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-07-2003, 05:50 PM

No, because that was announced and discussed for months in advance.

the real findorfin · 02-07-2003, 05:59 PM

I think TTT had enough in it to keep us entertained, so it wasn't as if there was a big hole to fill (although Osgiliath might be considered a hole). Let's just hope she looks her fine self in ROTK.

Anorien · 02-07-2003, 06:08 PM

you have got to be kidding! i about peed my pants at the end, i was soo mad! they dragged the war on too long, and didn't put in enough from the book...it was dissapointed. i think the first one was better. of course frodo getting evil was cool, one of the reasons i can't wait for the ROTK! but ya know, PJ coulda done a little better with TTT. I mean, SHELOB WAS THE HIGHLIGHT! THE BEST PART! or, so i thought. but at least we know it's still in the series. so much for the scourging of the shire.... i heard that has been done away with. and that is the whole major theme thingy! it's when the helpless hobbits rise up and fight for the shire! it should be included! ok, now i'm rambling! Be excellent to eachother, and don't forget to drink your milk!

Elfstone · 02-07-2003, 07:05 PM

In my view, Shelob not being in the movie was perfectly fitting. Aragorn off a cliff, Arwen with the power to impart the life saving grace of the Valar, Elves at Helm's Deep, Arwen off to see Cirdan, Treebeard giving an angry yell and every Ent from here to the other end of Fangorn immediately showing up (as if they were all 20 feet away), Gimli again reduced to a punch line sidekick, no Hurons, the desecration of Faramir's character, no reckoning with Saruman, Gollum getting laughs.Yeah, no Shelob fit right in to the movie.

Gorwingel · 02-07-2003, 08:05 PM

I knew for months that Shelob was not going to be in TTT, even though it is my favorite part of the book. It would have not fit into Peter Jackson's version of the story. Though I can't wait to see her, and she is the part that I most want to see in the ROTK.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-07-2003, 08:09 PM

No, because I knew that she will be there at the start of Rotk. Which makes perfect sense to me. She will I am sure be an absolutely fantastic curtain raiser to the final film. [ February 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Arvedui III · 02-07-2003, 08:45 PM

Ok, now I'm embarised. I knew nothing of shelob not being in TTT(which rocked anyway so I dunno where I'm going with this) . I also am angry that I'll have to wait another year to see her, but that will make it all the more satisfing when ROTK comes out. Shelob Rules! Arvedui

Aratlithiel · 02-07-2003, 10:08 PM

I, like most here, was aware that Shelob would not be in TTT so I was not disappointed. I just have to say that this is SUCH a fabulous scene for Samwise and I pray they get it right in the movie. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>'Now come, you filth!' he cried. 'You've hurt my master, you brute, and you'll pay for it. We're going on; but we'll settle with you first. Come on, and taste it again!' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Absolute perfection and I pray they don't try to "improve" upon it.

Ithildin · 02-08-2003, 10:41 AM

YES!! I was! wonder how long ROTK is going to be (not that it bothers me), but they should have Shelob in TTT!!!oh well, we'll se her next christmas!

Birdland · 02-08-2003, 08:19 PM

Nah, I think P.J. got it right. Shelob is better off appearing in the third film, because after that, things get a little slow for our Halfling heroes until they hit the slopes on Mt. Doom. Patience, my precioussesss. She is coming...P.S. - I heard that P.J. discovered Shelob while she was performing as an extra in "Eight-Legged Freaks", and that she and Andy Serkis will be competing against each other in the 2003 Oscar race. But they are still good friends.

Grimbold · 02-08-2003, 08:53 PM

Tolkien never wanted his book to be in three parts in the first place, so the only relevance for where the events of the storyline are broken up is in terms of movie-making. Putting Boromir's death at the end of FOTR was important so that that film would have a good climax. Helm's Deep was made into the climax of TTT. Shelob will be the opening action segment for the Frodo-Sam part of ROTK.

Pukel-Man · 02-11-2003, 01:05 AM

I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. After that, she hurries to Gondor just in time to dispatch the Witch-King.

Naldoriathil · 02-11-2003, 05:53 AM

PJ is editing ROTK as we speak and Shelob is a definate for ROTK, so no one start panicking!

Aratlithiel · 02-12-2003, 07:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. After that, she hurries to Gondor just in time to dispatch the Witch-King. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL, Pukel-Man. Is that before or after she saves Denethor from his pyre, challenges Sauron with the palantir and throws the Ring into the fire? What a woman!

Peri · 02-12-2003, 11:46 AM

I certainly was disappointed. She played quite a big role at the end of The Two Towers. Oh well, at least she'll be in the next movie.

02-12-2003, 03:26 PM

I think it would have made a better if rather than Gollum mentioning her, that the cliff hanger of the film would have been a small climpse of Shelob. Even if it was just one leg.

Sindae · 02-13-2003, 03:44 PM

I AM disappointed. Every time I read the book I hated the 4th one because it's just incredibly boring, and shelob appearing there was at least something exciting! of course there isn't this separation 3rd book-4th book in the movie but still i would have liked to see her in TTT.

BethoHOG · 02-17-2003, 04:42 PM

If Shelob was in The Two Towers at the end of the movie (like the book of course), then I think it would leave the movie in a rather negative attitude. What do you guys think?

Gorwingel · 02-17-2003, 05:02 PM

If they had put Shelob at the end of TTT I could just see it now. Mad rioting at the end of the film, people yelling "What happens now", "I thought the first film was a cliffhanger, this is even worst!". Because when I read the book, I wanted to find out what happened to Frodo and Sam, and in the beginning of ROTK you follow the other guys so I read really quickly through that part just so I could get to what happened to them.

Eressië Ailin · 02-17-2003, 05:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I hate Arwen in the movies!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!! Sorry about that... Arwen is always stealing some one's part!!! It is so uncool! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Glorfindel was here.""Oh wait, no I wasn't. That little tart Arwen stole my part."*Elladan and Elrohir look to where Aragorn is glaring at them.*Elladan: What? It's true ya know. She did steal his part. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ~Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Does anyone else hate Arwen in the movies?[ February 17, 2003: Message edited by: Eressië Ailin ]

Lady Alasse · 02-19-2003, 01:50 PM

Shelob is definetly a big part in TTT I think she should have been included in the movie

Meela · 02-19-2003, 02:59 PM

nope.but then im an arachnophobic and wont even see rotk because of this spider (although it looks very well done in the film), unless i stay outside until the good bits come on

BethoHOG · 02-19-2003, 08:05 PM

I have arachnophobia too... but I'm still willing to watch it.

Morgul Queen · 02-19-2003, 09:37 PM

nah they should have put her in just for the *killing* Frodo thing, you know, instead of making up some Crap about Aragorn *dying* that wasn't in the book why not *kill* Frodo on whos shoulders the fate of middle-earth rests,that is far more emotional than *killing* off our dear Strider and the best part...Its in the books!!!!

Cibbwin · 02-20-2003, 01:21 AM

Guys, the story is not ruined because a character is going to be in the 3rd movie! I mean, she will still BE there. PJ isn't stupid enough to leave Shelob out! Just wait! 300 more days...

Morgul Queen · 02-20-2003, 08:41 PM

Ummm, he was going to leave Galadriel and Lothlorien out and he only put it back in just before they started filming.

Lady_Báin · 02-24-2003, 05:07 AM

well he's not completely stupid, though i shall never fogive him for faramir, but think of what the movie would be like if shelob was there shall we...she does her thang and then what? there's nothing to look forward too. all you have to think about is the pelenor fields (and maybe the paths of the dead and the crack of doom) Now isn't it better to have that knawing, sick anticipation feeling for the next movie ?

Balin999 · 02-24-2003, 03:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, this was a joke, but if that turns out to be true, I'm absolutely sure that I will get a heart attack or at least go completely insane and tear my hair out. I could just cope with the changes they made with Arwen so far, and I survived Haldir and Faramir in TTT, but THAT (see above) would be too much for me.

Feanor... · 02-24-2003, 11:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> so much for the scourging of the shire.... i heard that has been done away with. and that is the whole major theme thingy! it's when the helpless hobbits rise up and fight for the shire! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I seriously doubt they will get rid of this part. Even if they did just end it at Aragorn & Arwen's wedding there would be too many loose threads still hanging about what happens. The very power of Tolkein's story is that it doesn't just end. "and they all lived happily ever after" The most poignant part of his story is that it doesn't seem to end and somehow, his story, his timeline can be connected to the world, the timeline we live in now. Besides, Peter still has to make the special edition DVD

Meoshi · 02-26-2003, 08:46 PM

I disagree totally with that. I refuse to believe that it 'links to our timeline'. That would ruin the story for me. But that's another matter.Personally, I don't mind that Shelob wasn't in TTT, it being a late night showing and me being a level 4 aranchnophobe(there is no level 5), I was grateful for the lack of elephant-sized spiders.

Mordor_Queen · 03-06-2003, 07:56 AM

yeah! thats a really good part in the book

Sapphire_Flame · 03-06-2003, 11:32 AM

Even though I knew that Shelob wouldn't be in Towers, I was extremely disappointed anyway. I mean, come on! Giant spiders rule! (anyone here seen Eight Legged Freaks?) But I can understand the logic behind it, even if I *was* cussing out the screen for ten minutes after the show ended because I was so PO'd..........But I digress. Just a bit of ranting there, pay it no mind...I was more disappointed about how they ended the other part. I really think that the others should've gotten to Isengard and had the showdown between Saruman and Gandalf. If PJ had ended the first half of Towers where it was supposed to end, I wouldn't be so mad. But no, he chopped off the end of *both* books in Towers, to be stuck in RotK in December. I feel that Towers really got short-changed; the first chapter was cut off and stuck in Fellowship, and the ends were cut off and stuck in RotK! By the Valar, what is that man thinking?! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Does anyone else hate Arwen in the movies?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> YES!!! She wasn't so bad in Fellowship (even if she *did* kife Glorfindel's part...) but in Towers she was so annoying! I really don't think she should've been in that much, if at all. The pacing in those scenes was much too slow for the overall feel of the movie, and they just weighed it down. I liked her much more in the Books, where she is rarely mentioned, and only in passing does she come into the main story. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...they should have put her[Shelob] in just for the *killing* Frodo thing, you know, instead of making up some Crap about Aragorn *dying* that wasn't in the book why not *kill* Frodo on who's shoulders the fate of Middle-earth rests, that is far more emotional than *killing* off our dear Strider and the best part...It's in the books!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Truer words were never spoken. The whole Aragorn death thing really didn't work. They only did it so Aragorn could see the orc army, then run his little self to Helm's Deep and tell everyone about it. Haven't they heard of scouts?!?! They could've sent scouts out to find out the same thing, and saved us a whole lot of time.Also, the whole change of Faramir's personality (and the events involving him) was quite distressing. The scene in Osgiliath was completely unnecessary, not to mention unrealistic. I believe the purpose of that scene was the showdown with the Nazgul, but that could have been achieved just as easily by having the events go as stated in the book, and having a similar occurance happen near Minas Morgul, as it happened in the books. C'mon people, *think*!!!I've digressed again. The Shelob Affair (SA) was aggravating, to say the least. I can't wait until RotK comes out and we get to see her. Only 286 days left!

Arvedui III · 03-06-2003, 11:40 AM

YAY! My feelings exactly. I bow to whoever just said that. And may I predict that with Shelob, Mt. Doom, The battles of Pelennor Fields,Cormallen, and may I say, Bywater ROTK will be the best movie ever!

Sapphire_Flame · 03-18-2003, 10:55 AM

Hang on, just pulling this back to the front page.........BTW, thanks Arvedui!

03-18-2003, 02:07 PM

I was kind of dissapointed with no shelob, i think the movie took to long on getting ready for the war. 30 Minutes could have been saved for it.

Ruler of the Frogs · 03-18-2003, 06:43 PM

I though the ending of TTT was good. It spiked your curiosity, kept you waiting for the next installment (RotK) Of course, those who have read will know what Gollum means, but not people who only watch the movies. Anyway, I think that putting in Shelob would have been too much if you know what I mean. Helms Deep was supposed to be the spectacular thing. Also, there are good ways to end a movie. Ending it with a closure is good (Boromir dieing for instance. It symbolizes an end to something.) And also with a Cliffhanger (like the end of TTT) but with a big battle scene with a gigantic spider is cool, but a bit too dramatic for an ending scene, which are usually calm.

Sapphire_Flame · 03-19-2003, 01:32 PM

I can't remember who said it, but I heard that the way a trilogy should be done is: in the first installment you set the scene and get the story started; in the second installment, you get the characters into the worst situation possible; and in the last installment, you get them out of it. I think the best way to end TT would have been to have the "incident" with Shelob, then end it with Sam thinking that he has to take the Ring to Mount Doom. i.e. Sam doesn't know that Frodo is alive yet, and we find that out in the next one. Of course, ending where Tolkien did would've worked well too!

Aratlithiel · 03-20-2003, 09:02 PM

True, Sapphire. Before learning of Shelob's apparent absence in TTT, I thought the cliff-hanger ending was a natural movie ending and was quite surprised to learn that it wouldn't be taken advantage of.However, we must all remember that these movies are "dumbed-down" versions of Tolkien's epic and (unfortunately) changes were made according to what the general movie-going public would accept. According to a NY Times critic back in January, the most reasonable explanation for leaving Shelob and Frodo's apparent death until RotK was to avoid the need for the movie company to explain to Elijah Wood fans that they should still come to the 3rd movie because Frodo wasn't really dead. Kinda rules out any "Frodo Lives" merchandising but what's a multi-million dollar corporation to do?

03-20-2003, 10:53 PM

Don't forget, however, that the first two books are actually 4 books in all (Even Tokein did not feel that the books were a "trilogy"). RotK is quite short if you only count the "story" part, not the appendices. It makes alot of sense to borrow from TTT to fill out a full movie. Plus, it will add wonderful action to RotK --and may have detracted from TTT if it was put in and done hastily. But, I do agree that a little snippet of a hairy, wriggling spider foot, or a little quint form a spider eye, would have been a wonderful teaser for ROTK!

02-07-2003, 05:27 PM	#1
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Shelob Just a question,<BR>Did anybody feel a little disapionted that shelob wasn't in TTT?<P>Arvedui __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

02-07-2003, 05:50 PM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	No, because that was announced and discussed for months in advance. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-07-2003, 05:59 PM	#3
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	I think TTT had enough in it to keep us entertained, so it wasn't as if there was a big hole to fill (although Osgiliath might be considered a hole). Let's just hope she looks her fine self in ROTK. __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-07-2003, 06:08 PM	#4
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	you have got to be kidding! i about peed my pants at the end, i was soo mad! they dragged the war on too long, and didn't put in enough from the book...it was dissapointed. i think the first one was better. of course frodo getting evil was cool, one of the reasons i can't wait for the ROTK! but ya know, PJ coulda done a little better with TTT. I mean, SHELOB WAS THE HIGHLIGHT! THE BEST PART! or, so i thought. but at least we know it's still in the series. so much for the scourging of the shire.... i heard that has been done away with. and that is the whole major theme thingy! it's when the helpless hobbits rise up and fight for the shire! it should be included! ok, now i'm rambling! Be excellent to eachother, and don't forget to drink your milk! __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

02-07-2003, 07:05 PM	#5
Elfstone Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 30	In my view, Shelob not being in the movie was perfectly fitting. Aragorn off a cliff, Arwen with the power to impart the life saving grace of the Valar, Elves at Helm's Deep, Arwen off to see Cirdan, Treebeard giving an angry yell and every Ent from here to the other end of Fangorn immediately showing up (as if they were all 20 feet away), Gimli again reduced to a punch line sidekick, no Hurons, the desecration of Faramir's character, no reckoning with Saruman, Gollum getting laughs.<P>Yeah, no Shelob fit right in to the movie.

02-07-2003, 08:05 PM	#6
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I knew for months that Shelob was not going to be in TTT, even though it is my favorite part of the book. It would have not fit into Peter Jackson's version of the story. Though I can't wait to see her, and she is the part that I most want to see in the ROTK. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-07-2003, 08:09 PM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, because I knew that she will be there at the start of Rotk. Which makes perfect sense to me. She will I am sure be an absolutely fantastic curtain raiser to the final film. <p>[ February 07, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-07-2003, 08:45 PM	#8
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Ok, now I'm embarised. I knew nothing of shelob not being in TTT(which rocked anyway so I dunno where I'm going with this) . I also am angry that I'll have to wait another year to see her, but that will make it all the more satisfing when ROTK comes out. Shelob Rules!<BR>Arvedui __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

02-07-2003, 10:08 PM	#9
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	I, like most here, was aware that Shelob would not be in TTT so I was not disappointed. I just have to say that this is SUCH a fabulous scene for Samwise and I pray they get it right in the movie. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>'Now come, you filth!' he cried. 'You've hurt my master, you brute, and you'll pay for it. We're going on; but we'll settle with you first. Come on, and taste it again!' <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Absolute perfection and I pray they don't try to "improve" upon it. __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

02-08-2003, 10:41 AM	#10
Ithildin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 11	YES!! I was! <BR>wonder how long ROTK is going to be (not that it bothers me), but they should have Shelob in TTT!!!<P>oh well, we'll se her next christmas!<BR>

02-08-2003, 08:19 PM	#11
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	Nah, I think P.J. got it right. Shelob is better off appearing in the third film, because after that, things get a little slow for our Halfling heroes until they hit the slopes on Mt. Doom. <P>Patience, my precioussesss. <I>She</I> is coming...<P>P.S. - I heard that P.J. discovered Shelob while she was performing as an extra in "Eight-Legged Freaks", and that she and Andy Serkis will be competing against each other in the 2003 Oscar race. But they are still good friends.

02-08-2003, 08:53 PM	#12
Grimbold Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenor Posts: 88	Tolkien never wanted his book to be in three parts in the first place, so the only relevance for where the events of the storyline are broken up is in terms of movie-making. Putting Boromir's death at the end of FOTR was important so that that film would have a good climax. Helm's Deep was made into the climax of TTT. Shelob will be the opening action segment for the Frodo-Sam part of ROTK. __________________ Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the west. Behind the hills, into shadow. How did it come to this?

02-11-2003, 01:05 AM	#13
Pukel-Man Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona, -East of Dunharrow Posts: 54	I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. After that, she hurries to Gondor just in time to dispatch the Witch-King. __________________ This is not the time or the place to perform some kind of a half-assed autopsy on a fish... And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock!-Mayor Vaughn

02-11-2003, 05:53 AM	#14
Naldoriathil Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 71	PJ is editing ROTK as we speak and Shelob is a definate for ROTK, so no one start panicking! __________________ "He is Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, Heir to the Throne of Gondor!"

02-12-2003, 07:56 AM	#15
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. After that, she hurries to Gondor just in time to dispatch the Witch-King. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>ROFL, Pukel-Man. Is that before or after she saves Denethor from his pyre, challenges Sauron with the palantir and throws the Ring into the fire? What a woman! __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

02-12-2003, 11:46 AM	#16
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	I certainly was disappointed. She played quite a big role at the end of The Two Towers. Oh well, at least she'll be in the next movie. __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

02-12-2003, 03:26 PM	#17
Discord101 Guest Posts: n/a	I think it would have made a better if rather than Gollum mentioning her, that the cliff hanger of the film would have been a small climpse of Shelob. Even if it was just one leg.

02-13-2003, 03:44 PM	#18
Sindae Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: a messy room in the world's best city Posts: 95	I AM disappointed. Every time I read the book I hated the 4th one because it's just incredibly boring, and shelob appearing there was at least something exciting! of course there isn't this separation 3rd book-4th book in the movie but still i would have liked to see her in TTT. __________________ My page about Iceland

02-17-2003, 04:42 PM	#19
BethoHOG Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A state with unpredictable weather Posts: 96	If Shelob was in The Two Towers at the end of the movie (like the book of course), then I think it would leave the movie in a rather negative attitude. What do you guys think? __________________ "GO AWAY, THE WORLD IS ROTTEN!!" - Louis Stevens

02-17-2003, 05:02 PM	#20
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	If they had put Shelob at the end of TTT I could just see it now. Mad rioting at the end of the film, people yelling "What happens now", "I thought the first film was a cliffhanger, this is even worst!". Because when I read the book, I wanted to find out what happened to Frodo and Sam, and in the beginning of ROTK you follow the other guys so I read really quickly through that part just so I could get to what happened to them. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-17-2003, 05:35 PM	#21
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hate Arwen in the movies!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!! Sorry about that... Arwen is always stealing some one's part!!! It is so uncool!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Glorfindel was here."<P>"Oh wait, no I wasn't. That little tart Arwen stole my part."<P>Elladan and Elrohir look to where Aragorn is glaring at them.<P>Elladan: What? It's true ya know. She did steal his part.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> ~Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Does anyone else hate Arwen in the movies?<p>[ February 17, 2003: Message edited by: Eressië Ailin ] __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

02-19-2003, 01:50 PM	#22
Lady Alasse Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gondolin, Middle Earth Posts: 103	Shelob is definetly a big part in TTT I think she should have been included in the movie __________________ He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by my arms.-II Samuel 22:35

02-19-2003, 02:59 PM	#23
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	nope.<P>but then im an arachnophobic and wont even see rotk because of this spider (although it looks very well done in the film), unless i stay outside until the good bits come on __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-19-2003, 08:05 PM	#24
BethoHOG Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A state with unpredictable weather Posts: 96	I have arachnophobia too... but I'm still willing to watch it. __________________ "GO AWAY, THE WORLD IS ROTTEN!!" - Louis Stevens

02-19-2003, 09:37 PM	#25
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	nah they should have put her in just for the killing Frodo thing, you know, instead of making up some Crap about Aragorn dying that wasn't in the book why not kill Frodo on whos shoulders the fate of middle-earth rests,that is far more emotional than killing off our dear Strider and the best part...Its in the books!!!! __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

02-20-2003, 01:21 AM	#26
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	Guys, the story is not ruined because a character is going to be in the 3rd movie! I mean, she will still BE there. PJ isn't stupid enough to leave Shelob out! Just wait! 300 more days... __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!

02-20-2003, 08:41 PM	#27
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	Ummm, he was going to leave Galadriel and Lothlorien out and he only put it back in just before they started filming. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

02-24-2003, 05:07 AM	#28
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	well he's not <I>completely</I> stupid, though i shall never fogive him for faramir, but think of what the movie would be like if shelob was there shall we...<P>she does her thang and then what? there's nothing to look forward too. all you have to think about is the pelenor fields (and maybe the paths of the dead and the crack of doom) <P>Now isn't it better to have that knawing, sick anticipation feeling for the next movie ? __________________ pæling.

02-24-2003, 03:54 PM	#29
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I heard that it's actually Arwen who saves Sam and Frodo by slaying Shelob<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ok, this was a joke, but if that turns out to be true, I'm absolutely sure that I will get a heart attack or at least go completely insane and tear my hair out.<BR>I could just cope with the changes they made with Arwen so far, and I survived Haldir and Faramir in TTT, but THAT (see above) would be too much for me. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

02-24-2003, 11:47 PM	#30
Feanor... Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 11	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> so much for the scourging of the shire.... i heard that has been done away with. and that is the whole major theme thingy! it's when the helpless hobbits rise up and fight for the shire! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I seriously doubt they will get rid of this part. Even if they did just end it at Aragorn & Arwen's wedding there would be too many loose threads still hanging about what happens. The very power of Tolkein's story is that it doesn't just end. "and they all lived happily ever after" The most poignant part of his story is that it doesn't seem to end and somehow, his story, his timeline can be connected to the world, the timeline we live in now.<BR>Besides, Peter still has to make the special edition DVD __________________ Feanor was the mightiest in skill of word and of hand, more learned than his brothers; his spirit burned as a flame

02-26-2003, 08:46 PM	#31
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	I disagree totally with that. I refuse to believe that it 'links to our timeline'. That would ruin the story for me. But that's another matter.<P>Personally, I don't mind that Shelob wasn't in TTT, it being a late night showing and me being a level 4 aranchnophobe(there is no level 5), I was grateful for the lack of elephant-sized spiders.

03-06-2003, 07:56 AM	#32
Mordor_Queen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mordor Posts: 53	yeah! thats a really good part in the book __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you shall have a Queen! Not Dark but beatiful! All shall love me and despair!"-Galadriel

03-06-2003, 11:32 AM	#33
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	Even though I knew that Shelob wouldn't be in Towers, I was extremely disappointed anyway. I mean, come on! Giant spiders rule! (anyone here seen Eight Legged Freaks?) But I can understand the logic behind it, even if I was cussing out the screen for ten minutes after the show ended because I was so PO'd..........But I digress. Just a bit of ranting there, pay it no mind...<P>I was more disappointed about how they ended the other part. I really think that the others should've gotten to Isengard and had the showdown between Saruman and Gandalf. If PJ had ended the first half of Towers where it was supposed to end, I wouldn't be so mad. But no, he chopped off the end of both books in Towers, to be stuck in RotK in December. I feel that Towers really got short-changed; the first chapter was cut off and stuck in Fellowship, and the ends were cut off and stuck in RotK! By the Valar, what is that man thinking?!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Does anyone else hate Arwen in the movies?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>YES!!! She wasn't so bad in Fellowship (even if she did kife Glorfindel's part...) but in Towers she was so annoying! I really don't think she should've been in that much, if at all. The pacing in those scenes was much too slow for the overall feel of the movie, and they just weighed it down. I liked her much more in the Books, where she is rarely mentioned, and only in passing does she come into the main story. <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...they should have put her[Shelob] in just for the killing Frodo thing, you know, instead of making up some Crap about Aragorn dying that wasn't in the book why not kill Frodo on who's shoulders the fate of Middle-earth rests, that is far more emotional than killing off our dear Strider and the best part...It's in the books!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Truer words were never spoken. The whole Aragorn death thing really didn't work. They only did it so Aragorn could see the orc army, then run his little self to Helm's Deep and tell everyone about it. Haven't they heard of scouts?!?! They could've sent scouts out to find out the same thing, and saved us a whole lot of time.<P>Also, the whole change of Faramir's personality (and the events involving him) was quite distressing. The scene in Osgiliath was completely unnecessary, not to mention unrealistic. I believe the purpose of that scene was the showdown with the Nazgul, but that could have been achieved just as easily by having the events go as stated in the book, and having a similar occurance happen near Minas Morgul, as it happened in the books. C'mon people, think!!!<P>I've digressed again. The Shelob Affair (SA) was aggravating, to say the least. I can't wait until RotK comes out and we get to see her. Only 286 days left! __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

03-06-2003, 11:40 AM	#34
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	YAY! My feelings exactly. I bow to whoever just said that. And may I predict that with Shelob, Mt. Doom, The battles of Pelennor Fields,Cormallen, and may I say, Bywater ROTK will be the best movie ever! __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-18-2003, 10:55 AM	#35
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	Hang on, just pulling this back to the front page.........<P>BTW, thanks Arvedui! __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost