A small ray of hope... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rose Cotton · 01-20-2003, 07:53 PM

I was looking at Tolkien Online and I found this bit about the next movie: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Grey Havens, where all the Ringbearers finally leave Middle-earth, will have an architecture a bit similar to that of Rivendell and Lothlorien. Says Alan Lee (conceptual designer): “However, the architecture is adjusted to buildings of stone, unlike the wooden buildings of Rivendell.” <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I know people were worried whether this part of the story would remain in the movie and this appears to confirm that the Grey Havens will be in RotK. YAY!! If you want to see what else there is here is the link: <A HREF="http://www.tolkienonline.com/docs/8620.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.tolkienonline.com/docs/8620.html</A>

Beruthiel · 01-20-2003, 08:00 PM

Yay grey havens! But there won't be any scouring of the shire Oh well it'll still be good

Gorwingel · 01-21-2003, 12:42 AM

That was one thing I never understood, why did people doubt that the Grey Havens would be in the ROTK. That is one of the most touching and beautiful parts of the book, and additionally it is one part of the story that will translate beautifully to film. It is part of the main storyline that the filmakers decided they would tell (you know Frodo getting the ring to Mordor and everything). The reason that the scouring is gone is because they thought that it was not part of the main storyline and would take too much time to tell, basically the main reason old Tom B. got the boot too.

greyhavener · 01-21-2003, 12:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But there won't be any scouring of the shire <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>How do yall find this stuff out? I'm surprised about that one since there seemed to be a clip of it when Frodo looked into Galadriel's mirror in FotR.

Nibinlondwen · 01-21-2003, 01:26 AM

To Gorwingel:I feal tha same thing as you do, but one can never trust films, they always pick things out that can feal too big for the audience. they may think "frodo should not go away, we want him to live happily ever after in the shire". I dont know, its just a guess.

Iargwath · 01-21-2003, 01:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm surprised about that one since there seemed to be a clip of it when Frodo looked into Galadriel's mirror in FotR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I thought that as well. But Galadriel clearly stated that if Frodo fails (and he didnt) the quest of the ring, the images in the mirror will occur in the mere future. So i believed otherwise when people told me that the 'Scouring of the Shire' was not to be included in the film.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-21-2003, 11:31 AM

The Grey Havens finish the book. It would be unforgiveable if they were not in the films. I never even considered that they wouldn't be there.

HCIsland · 01-21-2003, 11:41 AM

In the audio commentary of the special edition FotR, Peter Jackson says there will be no scoring of the Shire. That's as good a source as you are going to get.I agree with others that say they would have been shocked if there was no Grey Havens. I strongly suspect that was always their intention for the ending. It's too powerful to drop. It's either that or end at the wedding of Aragorn and Arwen, have everyone face the camera for a group shot and then start the Star Wars theme.H.C.

Rose Cotton · 01-22-2003, 03:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It's either that or end at the wedding of Aragorn and Arwen, have everyone face the camera for a group shot and then start the Star Wars theme. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>OMG! That would be so funny! But of course it would also cause mobs of angry Tolkien fans.

Morai · 01-22-2003, 06:37 PM

I can imagine that angry mob. I'd be there, atempting to be peaceful, holding a sign that reads:"We want Elves! Not Jedi!" Ten minutes later I'd be run over by the rest of the mob.

Faye Took · 01-22-2003, 08:03 PM

YAY! The Grey Havens will look awesome probably!

01-20-2003, 07:53 PM	#1
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	A small ray of hope... I was looking at Tolkien Online and I found this bit about the next movie:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Grey Havens, where all the Ringbearers finally leave Middle-earth, will have an architecture a bit similar to that of Rivendell and Lothlorien. Says Alan Lee (conceptual designer): “However, the architecture is adjusted to buildings of stone, unlike the wooden buildings of Rivendell.” <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I know people were worried whether this part of the story would remain in the movie and this appears to confirm that the Grey Havens will be in RotK.<BR>YAY!! <P>If you want to see what else there is here is the link:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.tolkienonline.com/docs/8620.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.tolkienonline.com/docs/8620.html</A> __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

01-20-2003, 08:00 PM	#2
Beruthiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Set adrift on the Great Sea Posts: 373	Yay grey havens! But there won't be any scouring of the shire Oh well it'll still be good __________________ ~I am not young enough to know everything~ Oscar Wilde

01-21-2003, 12:42 AM	#3
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	That was one thing I never understood, why did people doubt that the Grey Havens would be in the ROTK. That is one of the most touching and beautiful parts of the book, and additionally it is one part of the story that will translate beautifully to film. It is part of the main storyline that the filmakers decided they would tell (you know Frodo getting the ring to Mordor and everything). The reason that the scouring is gone is because they thought that it was not part of the main storyline and would take too much time to tell, basically the main reason old Tom B. got the boot too. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-21-2003, 12:55 AM	#4
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But there won't be any scouring of the shire <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How do yall find this stuff out?<BR>I'm surprised about that one since there seemed to be a clip of it when Frodo looked into Galadriel's mirror in FotR. __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

01-21-2003, 01:26 AM	#5
Nibinlondwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 25	To Gorwingel:<P>I feal tha same thing as you do, but one can never trust films, they always pick things out that can feal too big for the audience. they may think "frodo should not go away, we want him to live happily ever after in the shire".<BR>I dont know, its just a guess. __________________ Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta e'ale' quenle mellomin

01-21-2003, 01:43 AM	#6
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I'm surprised about that one since there seemed to be a clip of it when Frodo looked into Galadriel's mirror in FotR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I thought that as well. But Galadriel clearly stated that if Frodo fails (and he didnt) the quest of the ring, the images in the mirror will occur in the mere future.<BR>So i believed otherwise when people told me that the 'Scouring of the Shire' was not to be included in the film. __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-21-2003, 11:31 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The Grey Havens finish the book. It would be unforgiveable if they were not in the films. I never even considered that they wouldn't be there. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-21-2003, 11:41 AM	#8
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	In the audio commentary of the special edition FotR, Peter Jackson says there will be no scoring of the Shire. That's as good a source as you are going to get.<P>I agree with others that say they would have been shocked if there was no Grey Havens. I strongly suspect that was always their intention for the ending. It's too powerful to drop. It's either that or end at the wedding of Aragorn and Arwen, have everyone face the camera for a group shot and then start the Star Wars theme.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-22-2003, 03:58 PM	#9
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It's either that or end at the wedding of Aragorn and Arwen, have everyone face the camera for a group shot and then start the Star Wars theme.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OMG! That would be so funny! <BR>But of course it would also cause mobs of angry Tolkien fans. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

01-22-2003, 06:37 PM	#10
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 709	I can imagine that angry mob. I'd be there, atempting to be peaceful, holding a sign that reads:<P>"We want Elves! Not Jedi!" <BR>Ten minutes later I'd be run over by the rest of the mob. __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

01-22-2003, 08:03 PM	#11
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 343	YAY! The Grey Havens will look awesome probably! __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog