Yet another Spoiler...Merry/Pippin - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eruwen · 01-04-2003, 07:47 PM

I found this article at War of the Ring.net... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>From the Boston Herald come these Return of the King spoilers from Peter Jackson, Philippa Boyens, and Billy Boyd...Philippa Boyens, the trilogy's Oscar-nominated screenwriter and producer, also was willing to offer the films' devotees a tease. "In film three, a huge part is the conflict between fathers and sons," she said. "Just as Gollum's schizophrenia is buried in the story and you have to dig it out, you have this story of fathers and sons." Other events to anticipate in "The Return of the King" include the transformation of Merry (Dominic Monaghan) and Pippin (Billy Boyd) into warrior hobbits. "Merry learns how to ride a horse and wield a sword, and we make big differences in Middle-earth," Boyd said. Writer-director-producer Peter Jackson says his favorite character in the trilogy is Bilbo Baggins (played by Ian Holm), the humble hobbit whose discovery of the Ring is told in Tolkien's first book, the "Lord of the Rings" prequel "The Hobbit." "We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So, that answers all of your and my questions about Merry and Pippin's gain of courage. Pippin will definitly not be the Fool of a Took that he used to be. They are taking the comedic relief away from him completely as it looks to me.

Diamond18 · 01-04-2003, 11:04 PM

Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. *sniff*

Gorwingel · 01-04-2003, 11:16 PM

I think that we will probably have a little bit of comic relief when a hobbit learns how to ride a full size horse, or a pony

01-04-2003, 11:17 PM

i really like the Movies i cannot wait to the 3rd one.

Nenya · 01-06-2003, 01:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. *sniff* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> And my Merry...Mind if I join you? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Pay attention guys! Bilbo&The Shire! *starts dissolving*

Merri · 01-06-2003, 02:35 PM

I've used up all my tissues for Merry and Pippin while I read the book . . . I hope ROTK does as good a job as FOTR and TTT did. [ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ]

Fingo · 01-06-2003, 07:30 PM

Merry and Pippin rock! Go Hobbits! I'm so glad that those of my friends who haven't read the books and think M & P are completely useless will be proven wrong. They always seem to scoff at me when I insist that the Took and the Brandybuck have major roles yet to play.

Beruthiel · 01-06-2003, 07:33 PM

WOW, wow wow wait a minute <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Does that mean there is hope for the scouring of the shire???And I'm very happy to hear of Merry and Pip learning to ride a horse LOL

Sapphire_Flame · 01-07-2003, 11:24 AM

Heehee, Pippin! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. *sniff*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> May I join you? Pip's the best!

Thingol1000 · 01-07-2003, 11:25 AM

No scouring of the shire, multiple quotes of PJ around the net of him stating that (sorry, just my accumulation of surfing, can't give specific links) I don't mind if they forgoe that. It was kinda anti-climactic for me. But I DO HOPE he plays up the Grey Havens. I would seriously depressed if he skips that! If ROTK does not end with "Rosey, I'm home", I'll be devestated.

Eruwen · 01-07-2003, 05:08 PM

Technically, the quote was "Well, I'm home." But still. I get your point, Thingol. I cannot wait until the final movie. It is going to be so good!

Diamond18 · 01-08-2003, 10:53 PM

Ah, we should start a Puddle Club! Puddles Over Pippin, or something. Puddles Under Pippin? No, that sounds bad. But we wouldn't want to conjure up visions of puddles hanging over his head. I'll give it some thought. Maybe just The Happy Puddles.I hear that the Grey Havens is PJ's favorite part of the book, so you can bet it will be played up. And I've seen a picture of Sean/Sam holding out his arms to Elanor aka Alexandra Astin as she runs down the lane to meet him. So the scene will run a little differently, but it will be there. I envision Sam carrying Elanor up to the front door where Rose is standing in the doorway...and he'll say...you know what he'll say!

01-11-2003, 01:12 AM

Well, that little spoiler is actually making me nervous. I quite like TTT, but PJ tends to deliver what he says........for TTT he said it would no longer be Hobbit centric, but focus on men......and it did, so much so that I felt the main story (the ring!!) became episodes interspersed into what PJ saw as the main story.......Edoras and Helm's Deep!! If he is saying that the focus on the third movie is father/son relationships.....I guess those who want to see much more of Faramir will be glad......but I believe the focus should be the Ring, the Ringbearer....and will be sorely disappointed if yet another movie mainly focusses on Gondor, the various fights and men, with the Hobbits' story interspersed just enough so we see what happens to them. Others may not feel like this, but I do think that has been PJs intention....... Now, my hope is that much of what I feel is missing will turn up in the Extended DVDs. Because PJs has apparently said (to Sean Astin) that the cinema version will come and go, but the DVD is what will last.......and I am hoping the DVD is for us fans. I was so much happier with the Ex.DVD of FotR, and hope that the same will be the case for the other two movies too. Not that I don't like the cinema version.......I do! But I think the focus is a bit too off...not enough Hobbits So although I think RotK will have me in tears.....I do believe the lasting legacy for PJ will be the DVDs.

Diamond18 · 01-11-2003, 01:27 AM

Hobbits make the world go round.Personally, I think all three movies should have been Pippin-centric. :P

Gorwingel · 01-11-2003, 01:32 AM

Oh I hope that they don't forget the hobbits in ROTK. For me that was the main story in the book. But all the stuff that we have coming up, it should be good.

01-11-2003, 01:36 AM

One of my friends who hadn't read the books was devastated when Aragorn went over the cliff... "...But he's the main character!" she said. I was outraged.

maikafanawen · 01-12-2003, 04:40 PM

Ok, no puddles from me, but I'd readily cry for our Pippin!! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well if there's no scouring of the shire (which there isn't), at least the movie ends with the hobbits at the shire but ... I though Bilbo went on the boat with Elrond, Frodo, and Mithrandir?

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 01-12-2003, 06:44 PM

Fathers and Sons? You have to dig for that? In which of the Tolkien books is patrimony difficult to find? I don't see how Boyens is going to do much of a job with the Denethor theme, since that was not Faramir in TTT but his evil cousin, Franknfurter.

Mattius · 01-12-2003, 06:46 PM

Maybe because Faramir was much more evil in TTT, his father will be really nice in RotK, "Hey Gandalf take a seat my old mucka, I ant seen you in ages pal!"

HCIsland · 01-12-2003, 07:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well if there's no scouring of the shire (which there isn't), at least the movie ends with the hobbits at the shire but ... I though Bilbo went on the boat with Elrond, Frodo, and Mithrandir? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He does. I'm certainly thinking this will be in there. This should be the emotional climax of the film and if done right should leave many a wet eye in the house.Just another semi-spoiler. In the Felloship Special Edition, one of the female writters (sorry, can't remember which) says that Galadriel will sort of book end the trilogy (remember she read the voice over in the prologue).H.C.

Malamute · 01-13-2003, 10:54 PM

Yea , it kinda makes sense.... it seems PJ took the view of Galadriel sometime in a future age telling the story. Kinda makes sense to have her finishing the story in the movies i guess.... prolly end at the gray havens or valinor with a view a galadriel.

Arwen_Evenstar · 01-13-2003, 11:59 PM

Im glad he's not comic relief anymore.When I saw the first movie i thought 'He better not be like this in the second movie!'not because I didnt like it but because in the second book he grows up alot. So I was glad when he didnt become too much of a laughing stock, but I wasnt particurlaly stoked when the passed the comic relief to Gimli. Just my thoughts!

01-04-2003, 07:47 PM	#1
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Yet another Spoiler...Merry/Pippin I found this article at War of the Ring.net...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>From the Boston Herald come these Return of the King spoilers from Peter Jackson, Philippa Boyens, and Billy Boyd...<P>Philippa Boyens, the trilogy's Oscar-nominated screenwriter and producer, also was willing to offer the films' devotees a tease. "In film three, a huge part is the conflict between fathers and sons," she said. "Just as Gollum's schizophrenia is buried in the story and you have to dig it out, you have this story of fathers and sons." <P>Other events to anticipate in "The Return of the King" include the transformation of Merry (Dominic Monaghan) and Pippin (Billy Boyd) into warrior hobbits. <P>"Merry learns how to ride a horse and wield a sword, and we make big differences in Middle-earth," Boyd said. <P>Writer-director-producer Peter Jackson says his favorite character in the trilogy is Bilbo Baggins (played by Ian Holm), the humble hobbit whose discovery of the Ring is told in Tolkien's first book, the "Lord of the Rings" prequel "The Hobbit." <P>"We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So, that answers all of your and my questions about Merry and Pippin's gain of courage. Pippin will definitly not be the Fool of a Took that he used to be. They are taking the comedic relief away from him completely as it looks to me.

01-04-2003, 11:04 PM	#2
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. <I>sniff</I> __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

01-04-2003, 11:16 PM	#3
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I think that we will probably have a little bit of comic relief when a hobbit learns how to ride a full size horse, or a pony __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-06-2003, 01:32 PM	#5
Nenya Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the hand of Lady Galadriel Posts: 127	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. sniff <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> And my Merry...Mind if I join you? <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Pay attention guys! Bilbo&The Shire! <BR>starts dissolving

01-06-2003, 02:35 PM	#6
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	I've used up all my tissues for Merry and Pippin while I read the book . . . I hope ROTK does as good a job as FOTR and TTT did. <p>[ January 06, 2003: Message edited by: Merri ] __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

01-04-2003, 11:17 PM	#4
Candace Guest Posts: n/a	i really like the Movies i cannot wait to the 3rd one.

01-06-2003, 07:30 PM	#7
Fingo Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Over the river and through the woods (literally) Posts: 59	Merry and Pippin rock! Go Hobbits! I'm so glad that those of my friends who haven't read the books and think M & P are completely useless will be proven wrong. They always seem to scoff at me when I insist that the Took and the Brandybuck have major roles yet to play. __________________ "We are raised to honor all the wrong explorers and discoverers- thieves planting flags, murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams."

01-06-2003, 07:33 PM	#8
Beruthiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Set adrift on the Great Sea Posts: 373	WOW, wow wow wait a minute<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire."<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Does that mean there is hope for the scouring of the shire???<P>And I'm very happy to hear of Merry and Pip learning to ride a horse LOL __________________ ~I am not young enough to know everything~ Oscar Wilde

01-07-2003, 11:24 AM	#9
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	Heehee, Pippin! <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Excuse me whilst I dissolve into a little puddle of glowing happiness....that's my Pippin. sniff<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>May I join you? Pip's the best! __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

01-07-2003, 11:25 AM	#10
Thingol1000 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 37	No scouring of the shire, multiple quotes of PJ around the net of him stating that (sorry, just my accumulation of surfing, can't give specific links)<BR>I don't mind if they forgoe that. It was kinda anti-climactic for me. But I DO HOPE he plays up the Grey Havens. I would seriously depressed if he skips that!<BR>If ROTK does not end with "Rosey, I'm home",<BR>I'll be devestated.

01-07-2003, 05:08 PM	#11
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Technically, the quote was "Well, I'm home." But still. I get your point, Thingol. I cannot wait until the final movie. It is going to be so good!

01-08-2003, 10:53 PM	#12
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Ah, we should start a Puddle Club! Puddles Over Pippin, or something. Puddles Under Pippin? No, that sounds bad. But we wouldn't want to conjure up visions of puddles hanging over his head. I'll give it some thought. Maybe just The Happy Puddles.<P>I hear that the Grey Havens is PJ's favorite part of the book, so you can bet it will be played up. And I've seen a picture of Sean/Sam holding out his arms to Elanor aka Alexandra Astin as she runs down the lane to meet him. So the scene will run a little differently, but it will be there. I envision Sam carrying Elanor up to the front door where Rose is standing in the doorway...and he'll say...you know what he'll say! __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

01-11-2003, 01:12 AM	#13
midgardsormen Guest Posts: n/a	Well, that little spoiler is actually making me nervous. I quite like TTT, but PJ tends to deliver what he says........for TTT he said it would no longer be Hobbit centric, but focus on men......and it did, so much so that I felt the main story (the ring!!) became episodes interspersed into what PJ saw as the main story.......Edoras and Helm's Deep!!<BR>If he is saying that the focus on the third movie is father/son relationships.....I guess those who want to see much more of Faramir will be glad......but I believe the focus should be the Ring, the Ringbearer....and will be sorely disappointed if yet another movie mainly focusses on Gondor, the various fights and men, with the Hobbits' story interspersed just enough so we see what happens to them.<BR>Others may not feel like this, but I do think that has been PJs intention.......<BR>Now, my hope is that much of what I feel is missing will turn up in the Extended DVDs.<BR>Because PJs has apparently said (to Sean Astin) that the cinema version will come and go, but the DVD is what will last.......and I am hoping the DVD is for us fans.<BR>I was so much happier with the Ex.DVD of FotR, and hope that the same will be the case for the other two movies too. Not that I don't like the cinema version.......I do!<BR>But I think the focus is a bit too off...not enough Hobbits <BR>So although I think RotK will have me in tears.....I do believe the lasting legacy for PJ will be the DVDs.

01-11-2003, 01:27 AM	#14
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Hobbits make the world go round.<P>Personally, I think all three movies should have been Pippin-centric. :P __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

01-11-2003, 01:32 AM	#15
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Oh I hope that they don't forget the hobbits in ROTK. For me that was the main story in the book. But all the stuff that we have coming up, it should be good. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-11-2003, 01:36 AM	#16
Jen Guest Posts: n/a	One of my friends who hadn't read the books was devastated when Aragorn went over the cliff... "...But he's the main character!" she said. I was outraged.

01-12-2003, 04:40 PM	#17
maikafanawen Tears of Simbelmynë Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Beast's Castle Posts: 705	Ok, no puddles from me, but I'd readily cry for our Pippin!!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "We saw Bilbo in the first film," he said. "He's a very affectionate character, but we will see him again in 'Return of the King,' when the journey ends as the hobbits return to the Shire." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well if there's no scouring of the shire (which there isn't), at least the movie ends with the hobbits at the shire but ... I though Bilbo went on the boat with Elrond, Frodo, and Mithrandir? __________________ "They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say, 'Sht, it's raining!'" -- Ruby, Cold Mountain*

01-12-2003, 06:44 PM	#18
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Fathers and Sons? You have to dig for that? In which of the Tolkien books is patrimony difficult to find? I don't see how Boyens is going to do much of a job with the Denethor theme, since that was not Faramir in TTT but his evil cousin, Franknfurter. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

01-12-2003, 06:46 PM	#19
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Maybe because Faramir was much more evil in TTT, his father will be really nice in RotK, "Hey Gandalf take a seat my old mucka, I ant seen you in ages pal!" __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

01-12-2003, 07:02 PM	#20
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Well if there's no scouring of the shire (which there isn't), at least the movie ends with the hobbits at the shire but ... I though Bilbo went on the boat with Elrond, Frodo, and Mithrandir? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He does. I'm certainly thinking this will be in there. This should be the emotional climax of the film and if done right should leave many a wet eye in the house.<P>Just another semi-spoiler. In the Felloship Special Edition, one of the female writters (sorry, can't remember which) says that Galadriel will sort of book end the trilogy (remember she read the voice over in the prologue).<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-13-2003, 10:54 PM	#21
Malamute Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upper Peninsula Of Michigan Posts: 11	Yea , it kinda makes sense.... it seems PJ took the view of Galadriel sometime in a future age telling the story. Kinda makes sense to have her finishing the story in the movies i guess.... prolly end at the gray havens or valinor with a view a galadriel. __________________ eglerio e galenas!

01-13-2003, 11:59 PM	#22
Arwen_Evenstar Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 206	Im glad he's not comic relief anymore.When I saw the first movie i thought 'He better not be like this in the second movie!'not because I didnt like it but because in the second book he grows up alot. So I was glad when he didnt become too much of a laughing stock, but I wasnt particurlaly stoked when the passed the comic relief to Gimli.<BR>Just my thoughts! __________________ 'I am Agarwaen, Son of Úmarth...'-Túrin Turambar. Arwen_Evenstar