Orc and Troll afterlife - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thingol · 01-17-2002, 08:58 PM

Do Orcs and Trolls go to the Halls of Mandos when they are slain? Kind of makes sense, seeing how Orcs are corrupted elves and trolls are corrupted ents. I wonder if they get their own rooms.

***Gilthalion*** · 01-17-2002, 09:26 PM

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There is discussion in Tolkien's Letters that such creatures were not beyond redemption.

Perhaps there were some trolls, such as the one featured in the poem PERRY-THE-WINKLE (no doubt taken from actual hobbit legend [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ), who may have gone to the Halls of Waiting. But do Ents and (good) Trolls go to Mandos? Or like the Dwarves, have an afterlife that is unknown to the other races?

But orcs and goblins are another story. How many orcs have thought, "I'm fed up with this! I'm tired of black bread, fell meats, working like a slave, etc. I'm gonna grab one of the girls from the Great Goblin's harem and settle down out in the hills of Faraway and not bother no one never again!" Perhaps a few?

But for the most part, I rather expect their foul spririts were to be cast into the void to enjoy the company of Morgoth! They seemed for the most part to enjoy their wicked and depraved lives.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 01-18-2002, 05:18 AM

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But for the most part, I rather expect their foul spririts were to be cast into the void to enjoy the company of Morgoth! They seemed for the most part to enjoy their wicked and depraved lives.

I think "enjoy" is probably overstating it a bit, since they're endlessly arguing and complaining. They just don't seem to consider that there's any other way of life. Still, we don't know what happens to Orcs that try to escape and set up on their own. Somehow I doubt that Sauron offers an attractive severance package, although severance is probably involved somewhere.

01-17-2002, 08:58 PM	#1
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	Orc and Troll afterlife Do Orcs and Trolls go to the Halls of Mandos when they are slain? Kind of makes sense, seeing how Orcs are corrupted elves and trolls are corrupted ents. I wonder if they get their own rooms. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-17-2002, 09:26 PM	#2
*Gilthalion* Hobbitus Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: South Farthing Posts: 635	[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] There is discussion in Tolkien's Letters that such creatures were not beyond redemption. Perhaps there were some trolls, such as the one featured in the poem PERRY-THE-WINKLE (no doubt taken from actual hobbit legend [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ), who may have gone to the Halls of Waiting. But do Ents and (good) Trolls go to Mandos? Or like the Dwarves, have an afterlife that is unknown to the other races? But orcs and goblins are another story. How many orcs have thought, "I'm fed up with this! I'm tired of black bread, fell meats, working like a slave, etc. I'm gonna grab one of the girls from the Great Goblin's harem and settle down out in the hills of Faraway and not bother no one never again!" Perhaps a few? But for the most part, I rather expect their foul spririts were to be cast into the void to enjoy the company of Morgoth! They seemed for the most part to enjoy their wicked and depraved lives. __________________ Please read my fan fiction novel THE HOBBITS. Wanna hear me read Tolkien? Gilthalion's Grand Adventures!