Where On The Middle Earth did frodo go at the end of the book? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

01-27-2002, 08:41 PM

[img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] i
got some questions about the book..i just finished the book..
and thought i read it like 3 time..i still don't understand few stuff and i search for explanation..to experts!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

well
1:why does the elves thnik it the *end* of their Time at the end of Middle Earth??
2:where is the Worl id Frodo go at the End of the book?
3 [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]id Gimli and Legolas go to Where Frdo went ?
4:Where can we leran more about the LOTR exept the Appencies..some people know more than appendice and i want to know in what book the STUFFS are in
5:Frodo went Where??and is it like another land?or JUST for adventre??
6:thanx for answering~~BeyBye

Thingol · 01-27-2002, 10:02 PM

1: The time of the elves is fading because the power of the 3 rings were destroyed with the destruction of the one ring. The 3 rings slowed the passage of time (Vilya and Nenya did at least, Narya was said to be able to enflame the hearts of others to do great deeds) enabling the masters of the Rings (Galadriel and Elrond) to create their own private paradise, preserving the elven culture from the flow of time. The nature of Middle Earth is such that eventually everything must fade, (Ex: the span of the lives of men shortens) Without the 3 Elven Rings the Elves are doomed to fade in Middle Earth so they must return to the west.

2: Frodo goes beyond the great Sea into the west of Middle Earth, also called Valinor. Valinor is where the masters of Middle Earth dwell. Elves are able to take the straight path to go there, the Valar gave Frodo permission to come. Presumably Frodo is healed of his wounds in Valinor.

3: Legolas being an elf is able to sail into the west to join Frodo. Gimli goes with Legolas Galadriel obtained the permission from the Valar for this act.

4: You can learn more about Middle Earth from The Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tails

Mayla Took · 01-28-2002, 12:24 AM

Wowie! Thank you Thingol!! I had very similar questions on my mind. One of the bigger questions that I had was about Grey Havens. Some say that Grey Havens has a different type of air thus causing the increased life span of the inhabitant. Is there some place where that is written?

Orald · 01-28-2002, 10:57 AM

There are a few points that seem to be speculation, Thingol.

Frodo, Sam, and Bilbo might not have gone all the way to Valinor, but may hav just gone to Tol Eressea, I guess Valinor is close enough. And Gimli did not necessarily go to Valinor with Legolas. In the appendix of LotR it states:

Quote:

We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Glóin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. If this is true, then it is strange indeed: that a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should receive him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

I don't think this is conclusive evidence that Gimli left ME for Valinor, it sounds more like a 'myth' than anything else

Thingol · 01-28-2002, 02:37 PM

I have never read anywhere about the Haven's having a different type of air that increased anyone's life span. Elves under the rule of Cirdan (who originally had the Narya, but gave it Gandalf when he arrived in Middle Earth) dwell there and elves are imortal. As for Gimli I guess the quote from the appendix of The Return of the King is not conclusive evidence, but I've always liked the thought of Gimli joining Legolas and meeting Galadriel again, and I feel that it is consistent with the spirit of Tolkien's work. Durelen is also probably correct about Frodo only going to Tol Eressea, (an island slightly east of Valinor) that is where the elves seem to sail to. I have a question though, were elves allowed to sail back and forth from Tol Eressea whenever they chose? The great harbors and ships of the Teleri at Alqualonde seem to indicate that elves from Valinor were allowed to do some sailing, but were the elves at Tol Eressea allowed to do the same? By the way, I love your signature Durelen.

[ January 28, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ]

***Mithadan*** · 01-28-2002, 02:55 PM

Well, with all those Elves arriving from Middle Earth, they would certainly have enough ships.....

In the Sil. it is said that the Exiles dwelt in Tol Eressea "from whence they might come even to Valinor" (quote from memory), so I would suppose they can tool about in their ships as they saw fit, with one exception. The Straight Road is one way. In Letters, JRRT said that after the Straight Road was created a ship cannot pass from the West back to Middle Earth. The Istari, being Maiar, were able to come to Middle Earth but Elves cannot.

Atariel · 11-25-2002, 01:18 PM

Wouldn't it be sooooo cool if someone could create a replica of Valimar? that's what i'm going to try to do when i've grown up, and have money. and i've already started designing the tree-house in a caras galadhon style that my children are going to have. it's really, really cool.

Arwen Imladris · 11-25-2002, 03:18 PM

Cheak out here, I had the same questions 9 mounths ago. You got a far better answer than I did. Read the Sil!

Lindolirian · 11-25-2002, 03:20 PM

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The Silmarillion rocks!!!
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01-27-2002, 08:41 PM	#1
Ainayuviel Guest Posts: n/a	Where On The Middle Earth did frodo go at the end of the book? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] i got some questions about the book..i just finished the book.. and thought i read it like 3 time..i still don't understand few stuff and i search for explanation..to experts!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] well 1:why does the elves thnik it the end of their Time at the end of Middle Earth?? 2:where is the Worl id Frodo go at the End of the book? 3 [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]id Gimli and Legolas go to Where Frdo went ? 4:Where can we leran more about the LOTR exept the Appencies..some people know more than appendice and i want to know in what book the STUFFS are in 5:Frodo went Where??and is it like another land?or JUST for adventre?? 6:thanx for answering~~BeyBye

01-27-2002, 10:02 PM	#2
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	1: The time of the elves is fading because the power of the 3 rings were destroyed with the destruction of the one ring. The 3 rings slowed the passage of time (Vilya and Nenya did at least, Narya was said to be able to enflame the hearts of others to do great deeds) enabling the masters of the Rings (Galadriel and Elrond) to create their own private paradise, preserving the elven culture from the flow of time. The nature of Middle Earth is such that eventually everything must fade, (Ex: the span of the lives of men shortens) Without the 3 Elven Rings the Elves are doomed to fade in Middle Earth so they must return to the west. 2: Frodo goes beyond the great Sea into the west of Middle Earth, also called Valinor. Valinor is where the masters of Middle Earth dwell. Elves are able to take the straight path to go there, the Valar gave Frodo permission to come. Presumably Frodo is healed of his wounds in Valinor. 3: Legolas being an elf is able to sail into the west to join Frodo. Gimli goes with Legolas Galadriel obtained the permission from the Valar for this act. 4: You can learn more about Middle Earth from The Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tails __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-28-2002, 12:24 AM	#3
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	Wowie! Thank you Thingol!! I had very similar questions on my mind. One of the bigger questions that I had was about Grey Havens. Some say that Grey Havens has a different type of air thus causing the increased life span of the inhabitant. Is there some place where that is written? __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

01-28-2002, 02:37 PM	#5
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	I have never read anywhere about the Haven's having a different type of air that increased anyone's life span. Elves under the rule of Cirdan (who originally had the Narya, but gave it Gandalf when he arrived in Middle Earth) dwell there and elves are imortal. As for Gimli I guess the quote from the appendix of The Return of the King is not conclusive evidence, but I've always liked the thought of Gimli joining Legolas and meeting Galadriel again, and I feel that it is consistent with the spirit of Tolkien's work. Durelen is also probably correct about Frodo only going to Tol Eressea, (an island slightly east of Valinor) that is where the elves seem to sail to. I have a question though, were elves allowed to sail back and forth from Tol Eressea whenever they chose? The great harbors and ships of the Teleri at Alqualonde seem to indicate that elves from Valinor were allowed to do some sailing, but were the elves at Tol Eressea allowed to do the same? By the way, I love your signature Durelen. [ January 28, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ] __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-28-2002, 02:55 PM	#6
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,381	Well, with all those Elves arriving from Middle Earth, they would certainly have enough ships..... In the Sil. it is said that the Exiles dwelt in Tol Eressea "from whence they might come even to Valinor" (quote from memory), so I would suppose they can tool about in their ships as they saw fit, with one exception. The Straight Road is one way. In Letters, JRRT said that after the Straight Road was created a ship cannot pass from the West back to Middle Earth. The Istari, being Maiar, were able to come to Middle Earth but Elves cannot. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

11-25-2002, 01:18 PM	#7
Atariel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Valimar Posts: 68	Wouldn't it be sooooo cool if someone could create a replica of Valimar? that's what i'm going to try to do when i've grown up, and have money. and i've already started designing the tree-house in a caras galadhon style that my children are going to have. it's really, really cool. __________________ Nai tiruvantel, ar varyuvantel i valar tielyanna nu vilya

11-25-2002, 03:18 PM	#8
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Cheak out here, I had the same questions 9 mounths ago. You got a far better answer than I did. Read the Sil! __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

11-25-2002, 03:20 PM	#9
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Three words: The Silmarillion rocks!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."