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12-31-2001, 10:53 AM | #1 |
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A rather silly question came up
Gollum found the Ring in T.A. 2643, and lost it in 2941. During this period, the 3 Rings were probably still being used by the Elves, and Gollum was probably also using the Ring quite often.
So, why didn't Gollum somehow control the Elves? Or didn't even the 3 Ring-Keepers sense Gollum's existence? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Gollumm ] |
12-31-2001, 10:56 AM | #2 |
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The ring was "asleep" during that time, awaiting it's master's return.
That's my guess, anyway. Oh that and the face that the ring never imparted the power to control other rings of power to anyone other than Sauron, especially mortals.
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Frodo wondered about this also, and asked Galadriel about it.
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However, Gollum apparently only made use of the Ring's power of invisibility, using it to steal, discover secrets, and find food. While he possessed the Ring he apparently had no desire to do anything else with it. This may indeed have been partially due to the Ring's reduced power while Sauron gathered his strength. [ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Inziladun ]
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12-31-2001, 09:48 PM | #4 |
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True and there was no way for him to know what power the ring possessed. I think that anyone who tried to use it's power would only be fooled in the end.
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01-02-2002, 09:36 PM | #5 |
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Yes...the ring only answered to its master.
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01-03-2002, 08:15 AM | #6 |
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Gollum did not seek to be the master of thralls.
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01-03-2002, 12:38 PM | #7 | |
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Now that last one is disputable:
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01-08-2002, 12:00 PM | #8 |
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As Heren Istarion has pointed out, Gollum wanted to use the Ring to increase his power (according to his measure) AFTER he had been captured (and released) by Sauron. That is where he learned what great power the Ring had.
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02-02-2004, 02:06 AM | #9 |
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ya as all the other members said the ring gave power to a bieng according to its power or stature.
so it gave power to gollum according to its stature and thus only increased his life span but could not control the ring in any way
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10-17-2005, 10:14 AM | #10 |
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This interesting (old) thread got me to thinking about Gollum's relation to the Ring -- I agree with the sentiments expressed her that Gollum did not have the strength of will to use the Ring in anyway to control the Three: but it's interesting too how he never apparently even tried to use the Ring for dominion. Perhaps this is a sign of whatever Frodo saw in him: something that help out the hope for his redemption -- he had been consumed by the Ring, but he never wanted to use it to control and dominate others. In this regard, he is like Bilbo and Frodo, who were the only other two Ringbearers (or people who felt the attraction of the Ring) who did not fantasize about using it to make themselves more powerful than other people or rulers over them.
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10-17-2005, 11:29 AM | #11 | |
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I wonder. What with all the discussion currently going on in the CbC discussions concerning Frodo and the Ring on Mount Doom, the use of the Ring on the slopes of Orodruin to cow- to control- Gollum, makes one wonder if Frodo actually did NOT fantasize about such things... After all, he DID ask Galadriel about doing so... Just a few thoughts.
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10-17-2005, 02:13 PM | #13 | |
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10-22-2005, 10:52 AM | #14 |
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tatersss and fishesss, my precious!
Gollum's fantasy about what he would do if he got the Ring back is actually somewhat similar to Sam's, when he is trying to rescue Frodo and looking out over Gorgoroth, and thinking about what a nice garden Mordor could be turned into. Maybe that's just a thing about hobbits, which (relatively) keeps the Ring from causing too much harm in their hands:
Sauron: "With this Ring, I will rule the World!" Saruman: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!" Galadriel: "With the Ring, I could rule the World!" Gandalf: "With the Ring, I would be tempted to rule the World!" Gollum: "With this Ring, Sméagol can have nice fishess to eat!" Sam: "With this Ring, I could do a nice bit of gardening in this ugly wasteland!" Bilbo: "With this Ring, I can give the cursed Sackville-Bagginses the slip!" Frodo: "With this Ring, I can...uh...look for someone to take it off my hands!" |
10-22-2005, 11:40 AM | #15 |
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Love that list Angry because they are exact quotes (almost) fromt the book which states that if someone had the will power and strength, they could use The Ring the same way that Sauron uses The Ring. Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel all had the power to use The Ring for evil, yet they did not have the will to do so. Frodo asked why he couldn't see into the minds of the others as Galadriel could, which shows he did have the will to do so, but only for that brief period of time. Sam had the will to use it for good (gardening) yet he was still concious of what The Ring could do to him which also shows for that period of time, he had the will to use The Ring. Gollum, seeing as he possessed The Ring for so long, always had the will to use it to get fish. Notice how three have the power to use it but not the will, and three have the will to use it and not the power. They were all being put to the test to see what would happen if they had the chance to use it.
Now I know that this was completely random, but I couldn't help but and emphasis on what Angry said in his post.
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10-24-2005, 04:03 PM | #17 |
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thanks for the comments, Thinlómien
I was trying to think of what to write for Frodo, and realized that Frodo seems to be the only person who possesses or seeks the Ring, who never expresses a desire to do anything with it, however mundane (a la Sam and Gollum). I got the feeling, when he is asking Galadriel why he can't read the minds of the other ringbearers, that it's more of an informational question than expressing desire to do so--his Osanwë experience with Galadriel (the only person he knows to be a ringbearer) was rather intimidating to Frodo. Maybe for these reasons Frodo is probably the best possible ringbearer. Of course in the end he is overcome and wants to keep the ring--Gollum 'takes it off his hands' by taking a finger with it! But before that, Frodo successively tries to give the Ring to Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel. Kind of the "anyone who would want to be a ringbearer is unfit to be one" conundrum. Cheers! |
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