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Maédhros · 09-16-2002, 08:09 AM

Was Tulkas forced to aid the Valar in their fight against Melkor. Was he one of the ainur that desired to be with Eru, but was forced to go to Ea and fight against Melkor.

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Thus it came to pass that of the Ainur some abode still with Ilúvatar beyond the confines of the World; but others, and among them many of the greatest and most fair, took the leave of Ilúvatar and descended into it. But this condition Ilúvatar made, or it is the necessity of their love, that their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs. And therefore they are named the Valar, the Powers of the World.

Or did he chose in the begining to be one of the Valar.

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Greatest in strength and deeds of prowess is Tulkas, who is surnamed Astaldo, the Valiant. He came last to Arda, to aid the Valar in the first battles with Melkor.

amyrlis · 09-16-2002, 12:43 PM

I believe that it was in Tulkas' nature to prove his prowess & physical strength and, therefore, he willingly joined the Valar. He knew that his powers of strength would aid them against Melkor, and I personally think he enjoyed using them to subdue Melkor. I've always pictured him more simple and human-like (LARGE human that is) than the others, rubbing his large hands in front of a yellow-bearded, grinning face. The kind of man who takes great pride in physical, back-breaking work, and relishes an afternoon nap on the green grass, a doer more than a thinker. Tulkas would not be one to stand on the sidelines while the Valar struggled against Melkor, and that is why I think he made the choice on his own to join the Valar. He adds light-heartedness and an earthiness to the ranks of the Lords of the West. As to why he came last to Arda, I do not know. Perhaps it is due to his greatness and age being less than that of those who proceeded him, his spirit was still maturing.

Rimbaud · 09-16-2002, 12:49 PM

Purpose or porpoise? Tulkas' porpoise is an underrated character in the world of Middle Earth. He grew so large that he became embedded in the ocean floor. He is now regarded as another of the Enchanted Isles. His name is Geoffrey the Terrible.

More seriously, Tulkas seemed inherently willing to demonstrate his prowess, as has been suggested. Therefore, his assumption of the role of a Valar was natural.

09-16-2002, 03:02 PM

I agree Tulkas willingly volunteered to come to Arda and aid the Valar:

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But in the midst of the war a spirit of great strength and hardihood came to the aid of the Valar, hearing in the far heaven that there was a battle in the Little Kingdom...So came Tulkas the Strong...

It seems Tulkas couldn't resist; he was like a fresh calvary coming to the rescue in the nick of time, for the Valar were weary of their labors and battles with Melkor. It seems he enjoyed residing in Arda too, for he took a spouse, Nessa.

Guildo · 09-18-2002, 10:30 PM

I like to think Tulkas was looking down on what was going on, and Saw how Melkor was Defacing Eru's lands and became angry, and dedicated gis live as a Valar to see to it that he protects all ME from this Evil. sure i guess you can say all the Valar felt this, but i think Tulkas was more of a go getter and had a taste for action and battle.

bombur · 09-19-2002, 11:22 PM

And let us not forget that upon coming to arda the Valar clad their radiance in corporeal body... More then to any other Vala this sort of seems to become Tulkas. Hes sort of physical type of guy.

JH

Maédhros · 09-20-2002, 08:46 AM

Didn't Tulkas in a way, by coming to the aid of the Valar, accepted the he would be bound to the world just as the other Valar, instead of being free and with Ilúvatar. Was that a great loss for him? Is being with the presence of Ilúvatar a better fate than the one he chose?

09-16-2002, 12:43 PM	#2
amyrlis Wight Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Helcaraxe Posts: 210	I believe that it was in Tulkas' nature to prove his prowess & physical strength and, therefore, he willingly joined the Valar. He knew that his powers of strength would aid them against Melkor, and I personally think he enjoyed using them to subdue Melkor. I've always pictured him more simple and human-like (LARGE human that is) than the others, rubbing his large hands in front of a yellow-bearded, grinning face. The kind of man who takes great pride in physical, back-breaking work, and relishes an afternoon nap on the green grass, a doer more than a thinker. Tulkas would not be one to stand on the sidelines while the Valar struggled against Melkor, and that is why I think he made the choice on his own to join the Valar. He adds light-heartedness and an earthiness to the ranks of the Lords of the West. As to why he came last to Arda, I do not know. Perhaps it is due to his greatness and age being less than that of those who proceeded him, his spirit was still maturing. __________________ "Pull the blinders from my eyes, let me see these endless skies And drown here where I stand in the beauty of the land."

09-16-2002, 12:49 PM	#3
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Purpose or porpoise? Tulkas' porpoise is an underrated character in the world of Middle Earth. He grew so large that he became embedded in the ocean floor. He is now regarded as another of the Enchanted Isles. His name is Geoffrey the Terrible. More seriously, Tulkas seemed inherently willing to demonstrate his prowess, as has been suggested. Therefore, his assumption of the role of a Valar was natural. __________________ And all the rest is literature

09-18-2002, 10:30 PM	#5
Guildo Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Forgoten lands of the South Posts: 119	I like to think Tulkas was looking down on what was going on, and Saw how Melkor was Defacing Eru's lands and became angry, and dedicated gis live as a Valar to see to it that he protects all ME from this Evil. sure i guess you can say all the Valar felt this, but i think Tulkas was more of a go getter and had a taste for action and battle. __________________ "You cant always get what you want.... But if you try sometimes you just my find.... you get what you need." Glen Sight

09-20-2002, 08:46 AM	#7
Maédhros The Kinslayer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Formenos Posts: 658	Didn't Tulkas in a way, by coming to the aid of the Valar, accepted the he would be bound to the world just as the other Valar, instead of being free and with Ilúvatar. Was that a great loss for him? Is being with the presence of Ilúvatar a better fate than the one he chose? __________________ "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

09-19-2002, 11:22 PM	#6
bombur Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: finland Posts: 126	And let us not forget that upon coming to arda the Valar clad their radiance in corporeal body... More then to any other Vala this sort of seems to become Tulkas. Hes sort of physical type of guy. JH