Valinor and the Grey Havens - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Theoric Windcaller · 10-23-2003, 04:06 PM

I need to get this straight. You sail west, towards the Grey Havens, correct? And after the Grey Havens is Valinor, right?

Only immortals can go to Valinor, thus Frodo went to the Grey Havens and stayed there. Is this correct?

Arwen1858 · 10-23-2003, 04:31 PM

Actually, Frodo went to the Grey Havens and sailed to Valinor, where he stayed until he died. Bilbo and Sam also went to Valinor, since they were the other ring-bearers, and Gimli was allowed to go with Legolas. But going to Valinor didn't grant them immortality. They were allowed to stay there until they died. Hope this helps!
Arwen

Finwe · 10-23-2003, 06:34 PM

Most often, the Elves were the only ones who sailed West, because they grew tired of all the misery, death, destruction, etc. that went on in Middle-earth. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. If a mortal did something extraordinary, and was in dire need of healing, then with the grace of the Valar, they could sail West also, and reach the Undying Lands. That is why Frodo was able to go.

Voralphion · 10-23-2003, 07:14 PM

The grey havens is where those who are sailing west sail from. It is the harbour at which the elven boats were berthed.

Lord of Angmar · 10-23-2003, 08:10 PM

The Grey Havens, or Mithlond, is the realm over which Cirdan the Shipwright, a Telerin Elf, presided for many years. In the Third Age, it was the chief place of departure for Elves who wished to sail across the Great Sea from Middle Earth and live with their kin in the Undying Lands, forsaking the mortal world.

Theoric, you seem to have mixed up the Grey Havens with Tol Eressea, the Lonely Isle, the first place a ship would see coming from the Grey Havens to Valinor. That is presumably where Frodo abode after he made the journey from the Grey Havens.

[ October 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

Iarhen · 10-23-2003, 08:54 PM

I have always had the doubt if Galadriel went to dwell to Aman, where she was born, or was she forced to be in Eressea????

10-23-2003, 04:06 PM	#1
Theoric Windcaller Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Following where the wind takes me... Posts: 68	Valinor and the Grey Havens I need to get this straight. You sail west, towards the Grey Havens, correct? And after the Grey Havens is Valinor, right? Only immortals can go to Valinor, thus Frodo went to the Grey Havens and stayed there. Is this correct? __________________ Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens... -The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers: Book 2, Chapter 3)

10-23-2003, 04:31 PM	#2
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	Actually, Frodo went to the Grey Havens and sailed to Valinor, where he stayed until he died. Bilbo and Sam also went to Valinor, since they were the other ring-bearers, and Gimli was allowed to go with Legolas. But going to Valinor didn't grant them immortality. They were allowed to stay there until they died. Hope this helps! Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-23-2003, 06:34 PM	#3
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Most often, the Elves were the only ones who sailed West, because they grew tired of all the misery, death, destruction, etc. that went on in Middle-earth. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. If a mortal did something extraordinary, and was in dire need of healing, then with the grace of the Valar, they could sail West also, and reach the Undying Lands. That is why Frodo was able to go. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

10-23-2003, 07:14 PM	#4
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	The grey havens is where those who are sailing west sail from. It is the harbour at which the elven boats were berthed. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

10-23-2003, 08:10 PM	#5
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	The Grey Havens, or Mithlond, is the realm over which Cirdan the Shipwright, a Telerin Elf, presided for many years. In the Third Age, it was the chief place of departure for Elves who wished to sail across the Great Sea from Middle Earth and live with their kin in the Undying Lands, forsaking the mortal world. Theoric, you seem to have mixed up the Grey Havens with Tol Eressea, the Lonely Isle, the first place a ship would see coming from the Grey Havens to Valinor. That is presumably where Frodo abode after he made the journey from the Grey Havens. [ October 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ] __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

10-23-2003, 08:54 PM	#6
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	I have always had the doubt if Galadriel went to dwell to Aman, where she was born, or was she forced to be in Eressea???? __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.