The Ringbearers in Aman & the fëar of Hobbits - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

01-01-2003, 02:47 PM

Are there any theories of what would become of the mortals Frodo, Bilbo and Sam once they reach the undying lands? As far as I know, no mortal before them has been allowed to live amongst the elves and ainur in Aman. Connected to this: is anything know about the fëar of Hobbits? Are they "men" in that way, or rather like the Dwarves or Ents? Is anything known about this?

Nevolosse Maehayanda · 01-01-2003, 02:59 PM

What fear of hobbits?
I believe that they would just arrive there...the same...
The elves do not change their bodies etc. (as far as I know) and thus..the hobbits wouldn't.

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Nev'

01-01-2003, 03:01 PM

Hmmmmmm....

Galorme · 01-01-2003, 04:11 PM

Welcome to the Downs Robin.

Take a look at this

Basically their fea is the fea of a man. And they suffer a similar fate to the fate of the Fathers of Men and the Numinorions, they can die in Aman when they feel that it is their time to die.

Oh yeah welcome Airefanaiel too. Nice first post [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[ January 01, 2003: Message edited by: Galorme ]

lathspell · 01-01-2003, 05:54 PM

About the fea of Hobbits I can't say very much, but I can say that the Hobbits never went to Aman. They went to Tol Eressea, the Lonely Isle, that is in sight of the Undying Lands. They were the only mortal ones on that island, but it didn't make them immortal or change in any way.

greetz,
lathspell

Manwe Sulimo · 01-01-2003, 07:36 PM

How do you know that the Ringbearers only went to Tol Eressëa? They were with Gandalf, who probably was going to Valinor, since he was a Maia. The Ringbearers were all "special cases", not just Sindar or Noldor going West.

01-02-2003, 12:23 AM

I think the first mortal to be able to stay in the undying lands was Tuor. Or atleast in silm it was "believed" that he passed over the sea to the west, but of course believed if different from he did.

Legolas · 01-02-2003, 12:53 AM

1) They died.

2) Hobbits are men.

3) Tuor was made immortal.

http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_mortalsinv.asp

Read my article.

01-01-2003, 02:47 PM	#1
Robin Gamgee Guest Posts: n/a	The Ringbearers in Aman & the fëar of Hobbits Are there any theories of what would become of the mortals Frodo, Bilbo and Sam once they reach the undying lands? As far as I know, no mortal before them has been allowed to live amongst the elves and ainur in Aman. Connected to this: is anything know about the fëar of Hobbits? Are they "men" in that way, or rather like the Dwarves or Ents? Is anything known about this?

01-01-2003, 02:59 PM	#2
Nevolosse Maehayanda Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: in my mind...(mua ha ha ha) Posts: 17	What fear of hobbits? I believe that they would just arrive there...the same... The elves do not change their bodies etc. (as far as I know) and thus..the hobbits wouldn't. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Nev' __________________ "Who says you can't headbang to classical music?" ~Alex Vollrath-Smith

01-01-2003, 04:11 PM	#4
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	Welcome to the Downs Robin. Take a look at this Basically their fea is the fea of a man. And they suffer a similar fate to the fate of the Fathers of Men and the Numinorions, they can die in Aman when they feel that it is their time to die. Oh yeah welcome Airefanaiel too. Nice first post [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [ January 01, 2003: Message edited by: Galorme ] __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

01-01-2003, 05:54 PM	#5
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	About the fea of Hobbits I can't say very much, but I can say that the Hobbits never went to Aman. They went to Tol Eressea, the Lonely Isle, that is in sight of the Undying Lands. They were the only mortal ones on that island, but it didn't make them immortal or change in any way. greetz, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

01-01-2003, 07:36 PM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	How do you know that the Ringbearers only went to Tol Eressëa? They were with Gandalf, who probably was going to Valinor, since he was a Maia. The Ringbearers were all "special cases", not just Sindar or Noldor going West. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

01-01-2003, 03:01 PM	#3
Airefanaiel Guest Posts: n/a	Hmmmmmm....

01-02-2003, 12:23 AM	#7
Tuor Immortal Guest Posts: n/a	I think the first mortal to be able to stay in the undying lands was Tuor. Or atleast in silm it was "believed" that he passed over the sea to the west, but of course believed if different from he did.

01-02-2003, 12:53 AM	#8
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	1) They died. 2) Hobbits are men. 3) Tuor was made immortal. http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_mortalsinv.asp Read my article. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.