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Old 11-28-2002, 09:55 PM   #1
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Tell who said it and to whom it was spoken to.

1. "There is an _____ bred for a single purpose: to _____ the world of _____."

2. "There will be no _____ for Men."

3. "It's the ____, it's taken ____ of ____."

4. "The ______ have to ______."
"They will _____."

5. "What ______ does an _____, a ______ and a ______ have in the ______? ______ quickly!"

6. "There is ______ for you here, only ______."
"There is still _____."

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Old 11-29-2002, 10:44 AM   #2
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1. army, destroy, men
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3. ring, hold, you
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5. business, elf, man, dwarf, Riddermark, speak
6. nothing, death, hope
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Old 11-29-2002, 09:07 PM   #3
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EXCELLENT Imrahil! Your turn!
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Even as they spoke there came a blare of trumpets. Then there was a crash and a flash of flame and smoke. The waters of the Deeping-stream poured out hissing and foaming: they were choked no longer, a gaping hole was blasted in the wall. A host of dark shapes poured in. "Devilry of Saruman!" cried Aragorn. -Helm's Deep.
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Old 11-30-2002, 01:18 AM   #4
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1. We track a ______ of _______, ________ across the plain.

2. ______ _______, I don't think ______ meant for us to _______ this _______.

3. It _______ be.
I ______ ______ to you ______, at the _______ of the _______.

4. He is _______ ________ to _______ your _______.

5. This _____ but a ______ of the _______ that Saruman will _______.

6. We _______ _______.


Made six a bit tough.
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Old 11-30-2002, 02:14 AM   #5
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1. band, Uruk Hai; Aragorn to Eomer
2. We're lost, Gandalf, come, way; Sam to Frodo
3. cannot, come back, now, turn, time; Gandalf to Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli
4. using Saruman, destroy, people; Gandalf to Theoden
5. is, taste, terror, unleash; Gandalf to Theoden
6. will hold; Aragorn to Gandalf
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Old 11-30-2002, 10:48 AM   #6
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Got most of them. #6 is wrong and you didn't get the last blank of #1
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Old 11-30-2002, 12:09 PM   #7
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"_______ forces have begun their _______."

"He is _______ _______ to _______ your ______."


"This is but a _______ of the _______ that _______ will _______."

"______ must ______!"

"A new _______ is ________! It's _______ is at _______."

"By _______ of the ______, this _______ must _______!"

"The _______ between ______ and ______ is _____. Our _______ here is ______. ______ ______ is _______, let ______ go."
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Old 11-30-2002, 12:31 PM   #8
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Got most of them. #6 is wrong and you didn't get the last blank of #1
Sorry about that. Missed that blank in #1. I think it was westward. As for #6, I swear the quote went, "We will hold." Was it who it was said by and to wrong?
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Old 11-30-2002, 12:41 PM   #9
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It isn't "We will hold"

It is this:

Gandalf: The defenses have to hold.

Aragorn: They will hold.

As for #6, I have no idea....
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Old 11-30-2002, 02:25 PM   #10
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okay #1 with westward is correct. #6 is When Gandalf is talking to Theoden he says "We must fight".
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Old 11-30-2002, 02:33 PM   #11
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And in responce to Dorathain:

1. Sauron's, attack
2. using, Saruman, destroy, people
3. taste, terror, Saruman, unleash
4. We, fight
5. power, rising, victory, hand
6. order, king, city, empty
7. alliance, men, elves, over, time, here, Arwen's, time, ending, her
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Old 11-30-2002, 03:25 PM   #12
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Sorry to barge in but Imrahil- you got number one wrong on that first set I believe. Isn't it "rid" the world of men instead of "destroy" the world of men? Correct me if I'm wrong. Sorry, I'm a perfectionist, what can I say? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-30-2002, 06:26 PM   #13
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I am right, it is destroy. Just checked.
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Old 12-03-2002, 12:13 PM   #14
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Dorathain am I correct?
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Old 12-30-2002, 12:29 AM   #15
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1) army, destroy, men- Aragorn to Theoden
2) dawn- Saruman to Wormtongue
3) Not sure about this one... the (ring?) is taking over you
4) defenses, hold, hold- Gandalf and Aragorn
5) business, elf, man, dwarf, Riddermark, speak- Eomer to Legolas, Aragorn, and Gimli
6) nothing, death, hope- Elrond to Arwen

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Old 01-04-2003, 06:21 PM   #16
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So were they all said right? Whats left?
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Old 01-06-2003, 08:32 PM   #17
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All correct I think.
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Old 01-06-2003, 09:56 PM   #18
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I am pretty sure this is all right. I identified the speakers as well and corrected a couple of minor mistakes in the give text of the quotes that you made small errors on, correct me if I am wrong..

"Saurons forces have already (you forgot already) begun their attack." - Gandalf

"He is using Saruman to destroy your people." - Gandalf


"This is but a taste of the terror that Saruman will Unleash." - Gandalf

"You must fight!" - Gandalf

"A new power is rising! It's victory is at hand." - Saruman

"By order of the King, the (you got that wrong it should be the) city must empty!" -Hama

"The alliance between men and elves is over. Our time here is ending. Arwen's time is ending, let her go." - Elrond
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Old 02-07-2003, 09:26 AM   #20
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I think since no one has posted on this particular fill in the blank game for a long time I will go ahead and start it off again. Here is the quote:

"Why __ you ______ here ____ there is __ ____."

A lot of blanks in that one but it is not too hard when you think about it. Good Luck.

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Old 02-07-2003, 06:34 PM   #21
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Old 02-07-2003, 08:11 PM   #22
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I dunno, guessung:
stay, here, when, no hope
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Old 02-08-2003, 12:45 PM   #23
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Both wrong but Arvedui III was only off by one word, and no I am not going to say which it was.

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Old 02-08-2003, 01:29 PM   #24
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do, stay, when, no, hope ?
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Sorry Nevvasaiel
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Old 02-09-2003, 08:50 AM   #27
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It's ok, Novlanthiriel [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

if we ARE right, why don't you post first? i'm not sure if i have a quote yet.

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Nevvasaiel was the first one there with the correct answer. Go ahead Nevvasaiel.

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Every _____ in ____'s gonna_____ this ____.

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That would be Sam to Frodo about Gollum just after they captured him

"Every orc in Mordor is gonna hear this racket!" - Samwise Gamgee

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yup, your turn, Dondagnirion!
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Thankee.

"I ____ ____ to you ___ at the ____ of the ____."

Good luck all.

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Old 02-13-2003, 04:11 PM   #33
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Hint, one of the words is tide.

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Close, but not quite. Plus, please identify the speaker and whom they were speaking too.

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Oh! I so want to say that it was Gandalf speaking to Aragorn about looking to the east...but the spaces don't match up. Hmm...back to the drawing board [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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It was Gandalf but it was not just too Aragorn. Also, he was not speaking about something to happen in the future, he was speaking about something that had just happened.

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It was Gandalf to Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli in Fangorn Forest.

"And I come back to you now at the turn of the tide"

(Though you didn't have a blank for 'and' so I guess it'd be just "I come back to you now at the turn of the tide")

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Good Job Rochelle, your turn.

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