Middle-earth Flora & Fauna - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tarien Ithil · 10-01-2003, 11:26 AM

Let’s test your knowledge of the flora and fauna of Middle-earth! All you have to do is get the following question right and then continue with another flora/fauna question.

What was the name of the legendary wild oxen that lived near the Sea of Rhûn?

Enjoy,

Tarien

Niluial · 10-01-2003, 04:03 PM

I believe the answer is the Kine of Araw…

~Niluial

Telchar · 10-01-2003, 04:05 PM

The cows of Orome???

Tarien Ithil · 10-03-2003, 11:53 AM

Good answer Nil! That'll do. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Niluial · 10-03-2003, 12:02 PM

Oh yea, I got it right!!!

The lord of Eotheod, who was named Leod, tried to tame the most beauteous Horse his people had ever seen, but the Horse was wild and proud and threw Leod, who was then killed. What did they name the horse?

~Nilly

Tarien Ithil · 10-03-2003, 01:58 PM

The horse's name was Mansbane, later called Felarof. I hope I got that right........... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Niluial · 10-03-2003, 02:10 PM

And right you are! (Looks like Tarien and I are going to be the only ones playing this game… this is going to be funny!) Anyway… your go Tarien!

~Niluial

Tarien Ithil · 10-03-2003, 02:18 PM

Thanks Nil (and other peopel must also have a turn! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img])

In which river did the Kraken make its lair?

Niluial · 10-03-2003, 02:24 PM

This one is easy! And the answer is the River Sirannon!

~Nilly

Telchar · 10-04-2003, 02:49 AM

This question pussled me! To my knowledge Tolkien NEVER wrote anything about 'a kraken' let alone 'The Kraken', so I did a little research.

It seems that our friend David Day (may someone roast his balls over a slow fire)is on the move again. In A Tolkien Bestiary he describes the watcher in the water as a kraken created by Morgoth, BUT this is as usual his own invention of myth...

The Kraken of Norwegian legend is an enormous sea monster, capable of capsizing a ship. The earliest stories date from the 12th century and tell of a creature the size of an island. In 1752, the Bishop of Bergen described one as being a mile and a half across. Worrying words indeed, especially in a book seriously entitled The Natural History of Norway. In 1830, Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote his poem "The Kraken". By this time, there was huge enthusiasm for the study of the natural world. He combined the Scandinavian legend with his own view of a creature from the deep. We now believe that the Kraken is in fact a giant squid. It is the largest invertebrate predator on earth, growing to more than 20m and has the largest eyes in the animal kingdom. We know they exist. There are reports of them attacking ships in the 1930s, probably mistaking them for whales and one was washed up on a beach in Scotland not so long ago. But although the mystery of the Kraken is solved, the giant squid is still shrouded in mystery: as yet, scientists haven't seen a living specimen.

Pleased to share...
T

Niluial · 10-04-2003, 03:34 AM

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Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote his poem "The Kraken".

I studied that poem in my final year and it was actually included in our exam. It is interesting that you mentioned;

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To my knowledge Tolkien NEVER wrote anything about 'a kraken' let alone 'The Kraken'

I was wondering where The Kraken was in his books for I have never read anything about it in his books. I was about to leave this question out when I remember my metric year… but I got it right didn’t I? Anyway lets get back on Tolkien and not David Day (Sorry to ask but who is he?)and thank you for sharing with us [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]!

Niluial

P.S. Just for anyone who intrested here is Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem:

The Kraken
Below the thunders of the upper deep;
Far far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous grot and secret cell
Unnumber'd and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the slumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge seaworms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.

- Alfred, Lord Tennyson

[ October 04, 2003: Message edited by: Niluial ]

Telchar · 10-04-2003, 05:00 AM

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David Day (Sorry to ask but who is he?)

David Day is one of Morgoths many evil creations!

He has written such books as the Above, A Tolkien Compas and The Tolkien Companion and The Hobbit Companion - and they all suck!!!

AVOID ALL BOOKS BY DAVID DAY. No matter how pretty they may seem, Day's Tolkien books bear little resemblance to the Middle-earth Tolkien created. David Day just makes up stuff as he goes along and passes it off as if it's based on real research. Christopher Tolkien has even gone so far as to call Day "a literary burglar".

Tarien Ithil · 10-04-2003, 01:23 PM

Pardon me, but Telchar, I totally disagree!

David Day writes useful and clever reader companions which have help me a lot with the understanding of Tolkien. I have purchased one of his books and it is a wonder. Sorry, but i don't know wherethe heck you're coming from! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Back on subject, correct Nil! Your go.

Telchar · 10-04-2003, 04:10 PM

The disrespect David day have earned from more or less everybody who studies Tolkien seriously, should be enough to convince you, besides that even Christopher Tolkien (that profits highly the more hype there is around the works of his father) chritisises David Day for being an writer that knows little about Tolkiens works and still writes book about it for profit - Biggist problem is that a lot of people that doesnt know this about David Day takes what he writes for given fact... which I think is sad!

That you enjoy the books is fine, but please dont use anything found in David Day books as the base material for questions about the works of JRR Tolkien

Niluial · 10-04-2003, 04:35 PM

Ok, ok I think it is enough about David Day for one day (sounds funny). Lets stop arguing and get on with the quizzes!

In the War of the Ring, the Mearas did great service. Give an example of when they did great service!

Clue: something to do with Snowmane

Niluial

Tarien Ithil · 10-05-2003, 12:17 AM

Thank you, Telchar, for sharing that! I will be more cautious of him! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway, I'll post something about Day in the Books forum, so i don't interupt this quiz! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Sorry, Nil, was it because Snowmane carried Theoden into the Battles of Hornburg and the Pelennor Fields?

Niluial · 10-05-2003, 02:51 AM

And again you are correct! Um… I really do wish other people would answer the questions!

Tarien Ithil · 10-05-2003, 08:22 AM

OK, Telchar, you acn have my go. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
I think other peeps should get a turn!

Telchar · 10-05-2003, 10:42 AM

OK, thanks.

What was the Sindarin word for westmansweed and what was it?

Arestevana · 10-05-2003, 04:16 PM

The Sindarin word was 'Galenas', and the plant was pipeweed.

Telchar · 10-05-2003, 04:25 PM

Indeed that is correct! Please proceed Arestevana [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-05-2003, 05:43 PM

Well, things seem to have calmed down on the David Day front. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

But, just for future reference, the topics in this forum are not for discussion of the pros and cons of the various commentators on Tolkien's works, nor indeed for any in depth discussion related to Tolkien's works. There are other fora specifically dedicated to that purpose, and I am glad to see that Tarien Ithil took the discussion concerning Day to the Books forum, where it belongs.

Let's keep to Quiz questions and answers, folks. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Arestevana · 10-06-2003, 02:13 PM

In The Hobbit, what animal carries messages for the dwarves?

Evisse the Blue · 10-07-2003, 06:37 AM

The raven. Roac to be precise.

[ October 07, 2003: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ]

Arestevana · 10-08-2003, 03:13 PM

Correct!

Evisse the Blue · 10-11-2003, 03:52 AM

what was the horse who mourned his master's passing?

Niluial · 10-11-2003, 06:44 AM

Damn I cant remember the horses name! I know it… its somewhere locked in my mind!!

Nilly

Estanesse · 10-12-2003, 04:43 PM

Is it Rochallor the horse of Fingolfin?
Who died of sorrow.

Evisse the Blue · 10-13-2003, 01:54 AM

Yes, that's the one.
Please proceed, Smiley face! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Telchar · 10-13-2003, 03:02 AM

Interesting - I never came across that - where is that from?

Telchar · 10-13-2003, 03:04 AM

Interesting - I never came across that - where is that from?

Estanesse · 10-13-2003, 01:08 PM

How old was the son of Carc in the year 2789 of the third age.

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Interesting - I never came across that - where is that from?

It’s from the history of middle earth

Telchar · 10-15-2003, 06:23 PM

Róac was probably taking flying lessons at the time being but a single year old ;o)

Estanesse · 10-16-2003, 05:04 AM

you have outstanding bird knowledge Telchar [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Telchar · 10-16-2003, 05:11 AM

Give me the names of at least 6 living things that flew in the 3rd age. (For example Gwaihir - and not eagle)

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-16-2003, 07:11 AM

Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Oin, Gloin, Fili, Kili, Ori, Dori, Nori, Bifur, Bofur and Bombur.

There, that's fifteen. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

OK, seriously:

Smaug, Scatha, Roac, Carc, Gwaihir and Landroval.

[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Telchar · 10-16-2003, 05:53 PM

Cool answer Saucepans. I actually think that Scatha was refered to a 'the worm' and I always took he for being more like Glaurung, meaning not a winged dragon, and therefore not flying.

My substitute was Meneldur, but I think you should go on, on acount of your creative answer [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 10-17-2003, 03:14 AM

'Worm' is simply an old word for dragon. I have heard that in HoME it is said that Scatha flew.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-17-2003, 07:47 AM

Interesting point about Scatha. I had assumed that he had wings. To avoid further discussion here, I have posted a new topic on the subject in the Books forum.

And now, a question.

Name three varieties of invertebrate mentioned in Tolkien's works as growing to a large size.

Telchar · 10-17-2003, 01:07 PM

Here goes:

The Watcher in the water
Ungoliant/Shelob big spiders

And thirdly (and Im just not sure): Ents/Hourns

10-01-2003, 11:26 AM	#1
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Middle-earth Flora & Fauna Let’s test your knowledge of the flora and fauna of Middle-earth! All you have to do is get the following question right and then continue with another flora/fauna question. What was the name of the legendary wild oxen that lived near the Sea of Rhûn? Enjoy, Tarien __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-01-2003, 04:03 PM	#2
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	I believe the answer is the Kine of Araw… ~Niluial __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-01-2003, 04:05 PM	#3
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	The cows of Orome??? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-03-2003, 11:53 AM	#4
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Good answer Nil! That'll do. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-03-2003, 12:02 PM	#5
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	Oh yea, I got it right!!! The lord of Eotheod, who was named Leod, tried to tame the most beauteous Horse his people had ever seen, but the Horse was wild and proud and threw Leod, who was then killed. What did they name the horse? ~Nilly __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-03-2003, 01:58 PM	#6
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	The horse's name was Mansbane, later called Felarof. I hope I got that right........... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-03-2003, 02:10 PM	#7
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	And right you are! (Looks like Tarien and I are going to be the only ones playing this game… this is going to be funny!) Anyway… your go Tarien! ~Niluial __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-03-2003, 02:18 PM	#8
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Thanks Nil (and other peopel must also have a turn! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]) In which river did the Kraken make its lair? __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-03-2003, 02:24 PM	#9
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	This one is easy! And the answer is the River Sirannon! ~Nilly __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-04-2003, 02:49 AM	#10
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	This question pussled me! To my knowledge Tolkien NEVER wrote anything about 'a kraken' let alone 'The Kraken', so I did a little research. It seems that our friend David Day (may someone roast his balls over a slow fire)is on the move again. In A Tolkien Bestiary he describes the watcher in the water as a kraken created by Morgoth, BUT this is as usual his own invention of myth... The Kraken of Norwegian legend is an enormous sea monster, capable of capsizing a ship. The earliest stories date from the 12th century and tell of a creature the size of an island. In 1752, the Bishop of Bergen described one as being a mile and a half across. Worrying words indeed, especially in a book seriously entitled The Natural History of Norway. In 1830, Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote his poem "The Kraken". By this time, there was huge enthusiasm for the study of the natural world. He combined the Scandinavian legend with his own view of a creature from the deep. We now believe that the Kraken is in fact a giant squid. It is the largest invertebrate predator on earth, growing to more than 20m and has the largest eyes in the animal kingdom. We know they exist. There are reports of them attacking ships in the 1930s, probably mistaking them for whales and one was washed up on a beach in Scotland not so long ago. But although the mystery of the Kraken is solved, the giant squid is still shrouded in mystery: as yet, scientists haven't seen a living specimen. Pleased to share... T __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-04-2003, 01:23 PM	#13
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Pardon me, but Telchar, I totally disagree! David Day writes useful and clever reader companions which have help me a lot with the understanding of Tolkien. I have purchased one of his books and it is a wonder. Sorry, but i don't know wherethe heck you're coming from! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Back on subject, correct Nil! Your go. __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-04-2003, 04:10 PM	#14
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	The disrespect David day have earned from more or less everybody who studies Tolkien seriously, should be enough to convince you, besides that even Christopher Tolkien (that profits highly the more hype there is around the works of his father) chritisises David Day for being an writer that knows little about Tolkiens works and still writes book about it for profit - Biggist problem is that a lot of people that doesnt know this about David Day takes what he writes for given fact... which I think is sad! That you enjoy the books is fine, but please dont use anything found in David Day books as the base material for questions about the works of JRR Tolkien __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-04-2003, 04:35 PM	#15
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	Ok, ok I think it is enough about David Day for one day (sounds funny). Lets stop arguing and get on with the quizzes! In the War of the Ring, the Mearas did great service. Give an example of when they did great service! Clue: something to do with Snowmane Niluial __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-05-2003, 12:17 AM	#16
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	Thank you, Telchar, for sharing that! I will be more cautious of him! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Anyway, I'll post something about Day in the Books forum, so i don't interupt this quiz! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Sorry, Nil, was it because Snowmane carried Theoden into the Battles of Hornburg and the Pelennor Fields? __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-05-2003, 02:51 AM	#17
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	And again you are correct! Um… I really do wish other people would answer the questions! __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-05-2003, 08:22 AM	#18
Tarien Ithil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In the Shade of a Tree Posts: 253	OK, Telchar, you acn have my go. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I think other peeps should get a turn! __________________ “The English-speaking world is divided into those who have read The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit and those who are going to read them.” – Sunday Times Crickhollow

10-05-2003, 10:42 AM	#19
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	OK, thanks. What was the Sindarin word for westmansweed and what was it? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-05-2003, 04:16 PM	#20
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	The Sindarin word was 'Galenas', and the plant was pipeweed.

10-05-2003, 04:25 PM	#21
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Indeed that is correct! Please proceed Arestevana [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-05-2003, 05:43 PM	#22
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, things seem to have calmed down on the David Day front. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] But, just for future reference, the topics in this forum are not for discussion of the pros and cons of the various commentators on Tolkien's works, nor indeed for any in depth discussion related to Tolkien's works. There are other fora specifically dedicated to that purpose, and I am glad to see that Tarien Ithil took the discussion concerning Day to the Books forum, where it belongs. Let's keep to Quiz questions and answers, folks. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-06-2003, 02:13 PM	#23
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	In The Hobbit, what animal carries messages for the dwarves?

10-07-2003, 06:37 AM	#24
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	The raven. Roac to be precise. [ October 07, 2003: Message edited by: Evisse the Blue ] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-08-2003, 03:13 PM	#25
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Correct!

10-11-2003, 03:52 AM	#26
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	what was the horse who mourned his master's passing? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-11-2003, 06:44 AM	#27
Niluial Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the darkness of white Posts: 601	Damn I cant remember the horses name! I know it… its somewhere locked in my mind!! Nilly __________________ Life is not about how many breaths you take but about how many times it leaves you breathless. My rants, moans and groans in other words my Blog My Magical Site

10-12-2003, 04:43 PM	#28
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Is it Rochallor the horse of Fingolfin? Who died of sorrow. __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

10-13-2003, 01:54 AM	#29
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Yes, that's the one. Please proceed, Smiley face! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

10-13-2003, 03:02 AM	#30
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Interesting - I never came across that - where is that from? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-13-2003, 03:04 AM	#31
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Interesting - I never came across that - where is that from? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-15-2003, 06:23 PM	#33
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Róac was probably taking flying lessons at the time being but a single year old ;o) __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-16-2003, 05:04 AM	#34
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	you have outstanding bird knowledge Telchar [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

10-16-2003, 05:11 AM	#35
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Give me the names of at least 6 living things that flew in the 3rd age. (For example Gwaihir - and not eagle) __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-16-2003, 07:11 AM	#36
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Oin, Gloin, Fili, Kili, Ori, Dori, Nori, Bifur, Bofur and Bombur. There, that's fifteen. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] OK, seriously: Smaug, Scatha, Roac, Carc, Gwaihir and Landroval. [ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-16-2003, 05:53 PM	#37
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Cool answer Saucepans. I actually think that Scatha was refered to a 'the worm' and I always took he for being more like Glaurung, meaning not a winged dragon, and therefore not flying. My substitute was Meneldur, but I think you should go on, on acount of your creative answer [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-17-2003, 03:14 AM	#38
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	'Worm' is simply an old word for dragon. I have heard that in HoME it is said that Scatha flew.