Can anyone help me find info on tengwar divination or the tresco manuscript? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

08-24-2003, 09:05 PM

I am trying to develop a divination rune set based on tengwar symbols. I have found one site that describes esoteric meanings of the tengwar symbols, but it seems to be the only one. So i would really like to find some more sources to have a more solid foundation to go on.
Also, these descriptions are said to have some from the Tresco Manuscript, which includes the 'Parma Taratirion', book of visions. Does anyone know about this manuscript? Does anyone know where it comes from? I mean really. Not that it comes from an island where they were building an abbey, translated into old english by this guy Finan in the 7th century after it was rewritten in elvish by someone researching the original author some 3000 yrs ago... Can anyone help me?

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-25-2003, 01:45 AM

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***Mithadan*** · 08-25-2003, 11:22 AM

The "Tresco Manuscript", so far as I know, was a story written by tarot enthusiasts to create a Tolkien-based background for tarot reading. That's about all I know or recall. It is basically a form of fan-fiction.

Scott · 08-26-2003, 11:12 AM

What Mithadan said was probably correct, but I found some pages on the manuscript which say that it's authentic... here's the link: http://alt-tolkien.com/tms.html

~Scott

***Mithadan*** · 08-26-2003, 12:54 PM

From another website addressing the "Tresco Manuscript":

Quote:

New Middle-earth is a secondary, sub-created world. To all intents and purposes it is identical to the primary world we all inhabit, with one important exception: within it the Middle-earth related by the late Professor JRR Tolkien in The Lord of the Rings is not fiction, but historically true.

The "Tresco Manuscript" is part of an intellectual exercise attempting to extrapolate a post-Third Age "history" under the basic assumption that Tolkien was a translator, not an author of fiction. Nonetheless, it is a work of "sub-creation" or fiction.

Adastrea · 08-31-2003, 03:02 PM

The names of the Tengwar may help you decide on the meaning i.e Tengwar No 19 is Noldo "Wise" or Tengwar No 20 Nwalme "Torment" http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~smartin.../index_eng.htm
is where I learnt my tengwar and should be helpful for you (names in Sind. and Q)

08-24-2003, 09:05 PM	#1
BetonyBree Guest Posts: n/a	Can anyone help me find info on tengwar divination or the tresco manuscript? I am trying to develop a divination rune set based on tengwar symbols. I have found one site that describes esoteric meanings of the tengwar symbols, but it seems to be the only one. So i would really like to find some more sources to have a more solid foundation to go on. Also, these descriptions are said to have some from the Tresco Manuscript, which includes the 'Parma Taratirion', book of visions. Does anyone know about this manuscript? Does anyone know where it comes from? I mean really. Not that it comes from an island where they were building an abbey, translated into old english by this guy Finan in the 7th century after it was rewritten in elvish by someone researching the original author some 3000 yrs ago... Can anyone help me?

08-25-2003, 01:45 AM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Welcome to the Downs, BetonyBree! I can't answer your first question, but the reason for your status as "newly deceased" is answered along with other frequently asked questions on the Forum FAQ thread. For additional information on posting on this forum, please read the Forum Policies thread. (Both can be found at the top of this [Novices and Newcomers] forum's main page.) If you have more questions about the forum that aren't answered there, please feel free to PM me or one of the other moderators. Enjoy yourself here! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-25-2003, 11:22 AM	#3
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,381	The "Tresco Manuscript", so far as I know, was a story written by tarot enthusiasts to create a Tolkien-based background for tarot reading. That's about all I know or recall. It is basically a form of fan-fiction. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

08-26-2003, 11:12 AM	#4
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	What Mithadan said was probably correct, but I found some pages on the manuscript which say that it's authentic... here's the link: http://alt-tolkien.com/tms.html ~Scott __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

08-31-2003, 03:02 PM	#6
Adastrea Animated Skeleton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: England Posts: 31	The names of the Tengwar may help you decide on the meaning i.e Tengwar No 19 is Noldo "Wise" or Tengwar No 20 Nwalme "Torment" http://wwwusers.imaginet.fr/~smartin.../index_eng.htm is where I learnt my tengwar and should be helpful for you (names in Sind. and Q) __________________ "Hail Eärendil, brightest of angels, over Middle Earth sent to men."