This might sound like a weird thought... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

charly · 10-22-2002, 09:52 AM

...but it came to me a while a go, and I kept on wondering. So, here´s the thing:
it´s after the war of the ring. Aragorn is king and lives happpily ever after... but there´s a problem. A big one. It turns out Arwen can not have children. Every time it seems she´s pregnant she looses the baby very early. Aragorn has to decide. If he doesn´t have a son, Elendil´s line will dissapear from ME forever, he will either have to adopt an heir, or his name will be forgotten. Or he abadoms (sp?) Arwen and marries for the second time. A young ,fertile princess, maybe Eomer´s daughter or something.DO YOU THINK HE COULD HAVE DONE IT???? I just don´t know what to think.

There´s to much evidence in history that men choose divorces instead of their loves. Most of all, Napoleon and Josephine. I consider it the greatest lovestory in history. The two were linked together, loved each other dearly but when it tourned out Josephine was infertile ,he divorced her. He never stopped loving her, but he divorced her in favour of an heir.

So what would have happend with Aragorn and Arwen?? This question might sound cruel and unbeliveable, but imagine it... I wonder what you think.

littlemanpoet · 10-22-2002, 09:58 AM

The appendices state with clarity that Elessar and Arwen had at least one son. The heir was Ecthelion? Something like that. However, if you're proposing a what if...

The character of Aragorn would have disallowed the kind of choices that King Henry VIII and others in history made. That's just the way Tolkien drew him. IF, and I say IF he had had no heirs, he would probably have made the eldest son or daughter of Faramir and Eowyn his heir.

lathspell · 10-22-2002, 11:21 AM

I don't think Aragorn would abandon Arwen for any reason after all they've been through. He loved her from the first time he saw her.

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lathspell

Frodo Baggins · 10-22-2002, 01:06 PM

It says in Appendix A in the summary of the tale of Arwen and Aragorn, that after Aragorn dies, Arwen says farewell to her SON AND DAUGHTERS before she leaves for Lorien, therefore they had children.

TolkienGurl · 10-22-2002, 02:54 PM

That would be way too out of character for Aragorn to do that. Plus, I don't think Tolkien wanted to create characters as "duplicates,"(meaning the duplication of their morals) so to speak, of anyone especially unsavory people from world history like Henry VIII.

Did that make any sense???

Arwen1858 · 10-22-2002, 04:07 PM

I agree with what littlemanpoet said. That's not how his character was written. Aragorn would not have left Arwen, especially not after she gave up her immortality for him. It would have been bad enough to leave a human woman, who had always been mortal. but Arwen made a great sacrifice to be with the man she loved, and I don't think he would have left her after that.

Diamond18 · 10-22-2002, 04:18 PM

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The heir was Ecthelion? Something like that.

The heir was named Eldarion. One other thing: is it really even possible for an Elf to be barren? Elves all have perfect bodies, so....

10-22-2002, 09:52 AM	#1
charly Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: middle earth, dork Posts: 84	This might sound like a weird thought... ...but it came to me a while a go, and I kept on wondering. So, here´s the thing: it´s after the war of the ring. Aragorn is king and lives happpily ever after... but there´s a problem. A big one. It turns out Arwen can not have children. Every time it seems she´s pregnant she looses the baby very early. Aragorn has to decide. If he doesn´t have a son, Elendil´s line will dissapear from ME forever, he will either have to adopt an heir, or his name will be forgotten. Or he abadoms (sp?) Arwen and marries for the second time. A young ,fertile princess, maybe Eomer´s daughter or something.DO YOU THINK HE COULD HAVE DONE IT???? I just don´t know what to think. There´s to much evidence in history that men choose divorces instead of their loves. Most of all, Napoleon and Josephine. I consider it the greatest lovestory in history. The two were linked together, loved each other dearly but when it tourned out Josephine was infertile ,he divorced her. He never stopped loving her, but he divorced her in favour of an heir. So what would have happend with Aragorn and Arwen?? This question might sound cruel and unbeliveable, but imagine it... I wonder what you think. __________________ "Whom do you serve, scum?"

10-22-2002, 11:21 AM	#3
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	I don't think Aragorn would abandon Arwen for any reason after all they've been through. He loved her from the first time he saw her. greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

10-22-2002, 01:06 PM	#4
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	It says in Appendix A in the summary of the tale of Arwen and Aragorn, that after Aragorn dies, Arwen says farewell to her SON AND DAUGHTERS before she leaves for Lorien, therefore they had children. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

10-22-2002, 02:54 PM	#5
TolkienGurl Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 637	That would be way too out of character for Aragorn to do that. Plus, I don't think Tolkien wanted to create characters as "duplicates,"(meaning the duplication of their morals) so to speak, of anyone especially unsavory people from world history like Henry VIII. Did that make any sense??? __________________ Hopes fail. An end comes. We have only a little time to wait now. We are lost in ruin and downfall and there is no escape. -Frodo My Livejournal

10-22-2002, 04:07 PM	#6
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	I agree with what littlemanpoet said. That's not how his character was written. Aragorn would not have left Arwen, especially not after she gave up her immortality for him. It would have been bad enough to leave a human woman, who had always been mortal. but Arwen made a great sacrifice to be with the man she loved, and I don't think he would have left her after that. __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-22-2002, 09:58 AM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	The appendices state with clarity that Elessar and Arwen had at least one son. The heir was Ecthelion? Something like that. However, if you're proposing a what if... The character of Aragorn would have disallowed the kind of choices that King Henry VIII and others in history made. That's just the way Tolkien drew him. IF, and I say IF he had had no heirs, he would probably have made the eldest son or daughter of Faramir and Eowyn his heir.