Legolas and Arwen - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Airerûthiel · 10-07-2002, 02:16 PM

Having very very little knowledge and not too good a memory (and only read the fellowship), how is Legolas related to Arwen? One of my friends is writing a fanfiction on lotr and I said I would ask you lot to help her

Mattius · 10-07-2002, 02:54 PM

to my knowledge they are not realted at all

Ainahithiel of Mirkwood · 10-07-2002, 03:48 PM

yes, J.R.R Toliken did not say anything about them being related .. but, like humans and hobbits aren't all elves related some way by blood or marrige(wait,do they even have marriges? I should post that) Like, everyone who has an European background is some how related by blood or marrige to Charlemane. SO, isn't possible that they are some how distantly related???

Lady Ainahithiel

Legolas · 10-07-2002, 04:36 PM

It is possible that elves not be related. Unlike reality, there were a group of elves created first that awoke at Cuiviénen. In our world (whether or not you think Adam was created as the first human, use this for an analogy), it would be like 100 Adam's and 100 Eve's being created in the beginning in the Garden of Eden as opposed to 1 each.

Arwen (and probably Legolas) are only a few generations removed from those that first awoke Cuiviénen, and it is certainly conceivable that they are totally unrelated. Legolas' ancestry is traced no further back than his father, Thranduil, and his grandfather, Oropher.

Since no relation is written or even hinted at, I advise one not to infer any if they wish to stay parallel with the mythological world Tolkien created.

10-07-2002, 05:00 PM

There not related at all

Airerûthiel · 10-09-2002, 09:05 AM

ok all thank you very much for your help

Anastasia · 10-09-2002, 10:26 AM

They couls be in some weird obscure way...

Even Aragorn is related to Arwen...

Armadoin · 10-09-2002, 01:53 PM

How can Arwen and Aragorn be related? She is an elf and he is a man; it doesn't seem to make much sense to me... do you think you could explain? Thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Mattius · 10-09-2002, 04:08 PM

Aragorn and Arwen are very VERY distant cousins, Elrond's brother was Elros who was a man. The last of Elros' line is Aragorn. Elrond and Elros had the choice to what race they wanted to belong. Elrond choice the elves, Elros chose the race of men.

[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Mattius ]

red · 10-09-2002, 05:52 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Legolas's analogy. There is not a thing offensive about any part of it. In fact, it is a wonderful way to illustrate the point he is trying to get across. That is all it is - an ILLUSTRATION. Somebody is WAY too sensitive. I'll never understand why people create offense where none exists or was ever intended.

[ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: red ]

Ransom · 10-10-2002, 09:35 AM

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PLEASE KEEP ALL RELIGON OUT OF THE BARROW DOWNS

And all along I thought this was a discussion forum, not a strictly controlled totalitarian dialoge concerned with seeing that no one's feeling were in any way, shape, or form disturbed. The statement was entirely on topic, and intended to be used as an analogy. So what's wrong with that? People should be free to express their views on a subject, even if it includes religion. That's why there is something called free speech. I may or may not be personally offended, but that doesn't affect the person's basic right to say express their option on the subject.

Back on topic, raising moral/legal issues over Aragorn's relationship with Arwen are basically moot due to the extremely long time difference and the massive genetic flux in between.

[ October 10, 2002: Message edited by: Ransom ]

Armadoin · 10-10-2002, 09:55 AM

Thank you, Mattius. That explains it very well. I forgot about Elros. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Eglaladiel · 10-11-2002, 08:19 PM

Umm...apart from both being elves they could not be any more different! legolas is the prince of Mirkwood and Arwen is from Rivendell.

ilon · 10-12-2002, 03:11 AM

If they were related they would have not married and together with the humans established the dominance of the human race in the last age.

Forgive me if i'm wrong, the book's not with me now and it's been long since i've read that great borrowed trilogy (wished they could be mine, i'm still saving up to buy my own).

pherostien · 10-17-2002, 03:51 PM

I happened to find a great site for family trees. It will show you most anything you want to know.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

have fun!!!

Mattius · 10-17-2002, 04:17 PM

As I have stated before, Aragorn and Arwen are distantly related.

10-07-2002, 02:16 PM	#1
Airerûthiel Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Long Lake Posts: 228	Legolas and Arwen Having very very little knowledge and not too good a memory (and only read the fellowship), how is Legolas related to Arwen? One of my friends is writing a fanfiction on lotr and I said I would ask you lot to help her __________________ 'If they give you ruled paper, write the other way' - Juan Ramón Jiménez I love pirates!

10-07-2002, 02:54 PM	#2
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	to my knowledge they are not realted at all __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

10-07-2002, 03:48 PM	#3
Ainahithiel of Mirkwood Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helm's Deep Posts: 26	yes, J.R.R Toliken did not say anything about them being related .. but, like humans and hobbits aren't all elves related some way by blood or marrige(wait,do they even have marriges? I should post that) Like, everyone who has an European background is some how related by blood or marrige to Charlemane. SO, isn't possible that they are some how distantly related??? Lady Ainahithiel __________________ "Bygones be and lovers part, I'm asking you to leave my heart. Go in peace, harm to none, my new life, has now begun"

10-07-2002, 04:36 PM	#4
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	It is possible that elves not be related. Unlike reality, there were a group of elves created first that awoke at Cuiviénen. In our world (whether or not you think Adam was created as the first human, use this for an analogy), it would be like 100 Adam's and 100 Eve's being created in the beginning in the Garden of Eden as opposed to 1 each. Arwen (and probably Legolas) are only a few generations removed from those that first awoke Cuiviénen, and it is certainly conceivable that they are totally unrelated. Legolas' ancestry is traced no further back than his father, Thranduil, and his grandfather, Oropher. Since no relation is written or even hinted at, I advise one not to infer any if they wish to stay parallel with the mythological world Tolkien created. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

10-09-2002, 09:05 AM	#6
Airerûthiel Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Long Lake Posts: 228	ok all thank you very much for your help __________________ 'If they give you ruled paper, write the other way' - Juan Ramón Jiménez I love pirates!

10-07-2002, 05:00 PM	#5
Foxy_Nazgul13 Guest Posts: n/a	There not related at all

10-09-2002, 10:26 AM	#7
Anastasia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London Posts: 91	They couls be in some weird obscure way... Even Aragorn is related to Arwen... __________________ Aw, you've done grand, laddie! Now you know what you have to do: Burn the house down. Burn 'em all! ~The Leprechaun from The Simpsons.

10-09-2002, 01:53 PM	#8
Armadoin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien, ME... Posts: 54	How can Arwen and Aragorn be related? She is an elf and he is a man; it doesn't seem to make much sense to me... do you think you could explain? Thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "I must not fear.Fear is the mind killer. fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

10-09-2002, 04:08 PM	#9
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Aragorn and Arwen are very VERY distant cousins, Elrond's brother was Elros who was a man. The last of Elros' line is Aragorn. Elrond and Elros had the choice to what race they wanted to belong. Elrond choice the elves, Elros chose the race of men. [ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: Mattius ] __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

10-09-2002, 05:52 PM	#10
red Spirit of Mischief Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Land of the free and home of the brave Posts: 366	There is absolutely nothing wrong with Legolas's analogy. There is not a thing offensive about any part of it. In fact, it is a wonderful way to illustrate the point he is trying to get across. That is all it is - an ILLUSTRATION. Somebody is WAY too sensitive. I'll never understand why people create offense where none exists or was ever intended. [ October 09, 2002: Message edited by: red ] __________________ "Cats are like greatness: Some people are born into cat-loving families, some achieve cats, and some have cats thrust upon them." -William H. A. Carr

10-10-2002, 09:55 AM	#12
Armadoin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien, ME... Posts: 54	Thank you, Mattius. That explains it very well. I forgot about Elros. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "I must not fear.Fear is the mind killer. fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

10-11-2002, 08:19 PM	#13
Eglaladiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Rivendell... Posts: 55	Umm...apart from both being elves they could not be any more different! legolas is the prince of Mirkwood and Arwen is from Rivendell. __________________ <3 -R.I.P. Padfoot (sniffle, sniffle)

10-12-2002, 03:11 AM	#14
ilon Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: lothlorien Posts: 31	If they were related they would have not married and together with the humans established the dominance of the human race in the last age. Forgive me if i'm wrong, the book's not with me now and it's been long since i've read that great borrowed trilogy (wished they could be mine, i'm still saving up to buy my own). __________________ "Not all those who wander are lost."

10-17-2002, 03:51 PM	#15
pherostien Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: that place over there Posts: 29	I happened to find a great site for family trees. It will show you most anything you want to know. http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ have fun!!! __________________ Alas i will no longer have AOL and will soon be at a new location. i just have to create it first.

10-17-2002, 04:17 PM	#16
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	As I have stated before, Aragorn and Arwen are distantly related. __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?