Rohan and Gondor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eruwen · 02-27-2003, 10:13 AM

I'm a little confused on these two cities and their inhabitants. When I was reading the LOTR books, I came to this conclusion...

Rohan
Theoden was the king. He had 2 sons and a daughter. One of the sons, I don't know the name of, but the other children were Eomer and Eowyn. In the last battle, Pippin ends up in Rohan.

Gondor
Denethor II is King. He has two sons, Boromir and Faramir. He tries killing Faramir and himself, but fails to kill Faramir. For some reason, Pippin ends up here as well. But I though Merry was in Gondor.

That was my conclusion and thus I am completely lost. Did Merry go to Rohan or Pippin? And is Eowyn supposed to be Eomer's sister? I thought they were both the children of Theoden, but in the movie they have Eowyn as Theoden's neice. They would make that much of a change would they? Can someone please elaborate on this topic for me? I am completely lost.

02-27-2003, 10:48 AM

Eowyn and Eomer are brother and sister but they are not Theoden's children, they are Theoden's niece and nephew. I was confused when I first started reading the books about that too!! don't worry!! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Anunia · 02-27-2003, 10:55 AM

Hello Eruwen! Well, the answer is pretty simple... let me see...

Rohan
The king was Theoden. He had one son, Theodred, but he died in battle. Eowyn and Eomer were brothers, and they were the sons of Theoden's brother, Eomund. Theoden raised them as his children. So, they are Theoden's nephews.

Gondor
The Steward was Denethor. As you said, he had two sons, Boromir and Faramir. I guess you know their story... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

OK... then... Pippin was taken by Gandalf to Gondor after he looked in the palantir. And Merry was the one who went in Rohan.

I hope this answered you all the questions you had.

~Anunia

[ February 27, 2003: Message edited by: Anunia ]

Elanor · 02-27-2003, 11:17 AM

Anunia isn't quite right there.

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Eowyn and Eomer were brothers, and they were the sons of Theoden's brother, Eomund. Theoden raised them as his children. So, they are Theoden's nephews.

Eowyn is of course a girl, and therefore Theoden's neice. Eomund was Theoden's brother-in-law: he was married to Theoden's sister Theodwyn, and Eomer and Eowyn were their children.

Eruwen · 02-27-2003, 12:30 PM

Whoa, ok, that cleared everything up very much. For some reason I always thought that Pippin went to Rohan. I guess I got the idea that Eowyn and Eomer were Theoden's children because he raised them as his own. Thank you all for fixing one of the many ignorant spaces in my mind. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Meela · 02-27-2003, 01:50 PM

obviously nothing to add [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] unless you dont mind being overloaded with minute details, such as Denethor being married to Finduilas of Dol Amroth, who died after 12 years of marriage, and Faramir marrying Eowyn, and Eomer marrying Lothiriel of Dol Amroth (my head is saying she was the daughter of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth, and im sure he was Finduilas's brother...)

im full of useless facts [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] including the most useless fact of the post: Denethor I also had a son called Boromir

Eruwen · 02-27-2003, 05:34 PM

Actually, some of those facts weren't useless. I knew some, but other I had no clue. The first Denethor really had a son called Boromir? Cool. See, I didn't know that. It wasn't useless.

Sillabub · 05-17-2003, 12:08 PM

Eowyn is not Theoden's biological daughter. He sort of adopted her somehow...ok don't ask how I know that, I haven;t even read any of the books other than the Hobbit and FOTR, I got it from a lecture I got from a 8-year-old...

mark12_30 · 05-17-2003, 12:14 PM

Elanor has it right:

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Eowyn is of course a girl, and therefore Theoden's neice. Eomund was Theoden's brother-in-law: he was married to Theoden's sister Theodwyn, and Eomer and Eowyn were their children.

That is why Theoden calls Eomer "Sister-Son": in other words, Eomer the son of my sister Theodwyn.

02-27-2003, 10:13 AM	#1
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Rohan and Gondor I'm a little confused on these two cities and their inhabitants. When I was reading the LOTR books, I came to this conclusion... Rohan Theoden was the king. He had 2 sons and a daughter. One of the sons, I don't know the name of, but the other children were Eomer and Eowyn. In the last battle, Pippin ends up in Rohan. Gondor Denethor II is King. He has two sons, Boromir and Faramir. He tries killing Faramir and himself, but fails to kill Faramir. For some reason, Pippin ends up here as well. But I though Merry was in Gondor. That was my conclusion and thus I am completely lost. Did Merry go to Rohan or Pippin? And is Eowyn supposed to be Eomer's sister? I thought they were both the children of Theoden, but in the movie they have Eowyn as Theoden's neice. They would make that much of a change would they? Can someone please elaborate on this topic for me? I am completely lost.

02-27-2003, 10:55 AM	#3
Anunia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 60	Hello Eruwen! Well, the answer is pretty simple... let me see... Rohan The king was Theoden. He had one son, Theodred, but he died in battle. Eowyn and Eomer were brothers, and they were the sons of Theoden's brother, Eomund. Theoden raised them as his children. So, they are Theoden's nephews. Gondor The Steward was Denethor. As you said, he had two sons, Boromir and Faramir. I guess you know their story... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] OK... then... Pippin was taken by Gandalf to Gondor after he looked in the palantir. And Merry was the one who went in Rohan. I hope this answered you all the questions you had. ~Anunia [ February 27, 2003: Message edited by: Anunia ] __________________ Flowers are the alphabet of angels, whereby they write on the hills and fields mysterious truths. Dream the impossible, because dreams do come true.

02-27-2003, 01:50 PM	#6
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	obviously nothing to add [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] unless you dont mind being overloaded with minute details, such as Denethor being married to Finduilas of Dol Amroth, who died after 12 years of marriage, and Faramir marrying Eowyn, and Eomer marrying Lothiriel of Dol Amroth (my head is saying she was the daughter of Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth, and im sure he was Finduilas's brother...) im full of useless facts [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] including the most useless fact of the post: Denethor I also had a son called Boromir __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

05-17-2003, 12:08 PM	#8
Sillabub Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: GONDOR!! Posts: 138	Eowyn is not Theoden's biological daughter. He sort of adopted her somehow...ok don't ask how I know that, I haven;t even read any of the books other than the Hobbit and FOTR, I got it from a lecture I got from a 8-year-old... __________________ They were holding umbrellas. Not just any umbrellas- BLACK umbrellas. Not just ANY black umbrellas- these were...(knuckle-biting time) the BLACK UMBRELLAS OF DEATH!!!!! cue sinister music

02-27-2003, 10:48 AM	#2
Tellonniel Guest Posts: n/a	Eowyn and Eomer are brother and sister but they are not Theoden's children, they are Theoden's niece and nephew. I was confused when I first started reading the books about that too!! don't worry!! [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

02-27-2003, 12:30 PM	#5
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Whoa, ok, that cleared everything up very much. For some reason I always thought that Pippin went to Rohan. I guess I got the idea that Eowyn and Eomer were Theoden's children because he raised them as his own. Thank you all for fixing one of the many ignorant spaces in my mind. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

02-27-2003, 05:34 PM	#7
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Actually, some of those facts weren't useless. I knew some, but other I had no clue. The first Denethor really had a son called Boromir? Cool. See, I didn't know that. It wasn't useless.