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Meela · 02-20-2003, 12:13 PM

why did Denethor not like Faramir?

if thats the correct statement... i know they didnt get on, but i dont know how far it went

lord of dor-lomin · 02-20-2003, 01:00 PM

I know there's a couple exact quotes that would give a better explanation, but I don't have my book now.

To sum it up to the best of my memory, Faramir didn't have as much pride as Denethor and Boromir. For instance, Denethor didn't want to be replaced by the true king, where as Faramir welcomed him back. Also, Denethor saw Gandalf as an accomplice to Aragorn in the "plot" to supplant him, so he didn't like Gandalf much, but Faramir liked Gandalf and talked with him, so that's another point.

the phantom · 02-20-2003, 01:03 PM

But don't forget that deep down, Denethor did love his son, it's just that politics got in the way (and Sauron's evil influence).

Manwe Sulimo · 02-20-2003, 02:32 PM

Yep, loved him to the point of immolation. I wish I loved my children that way [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

eleanor_niphredil · 02-20-2003, 02:51 PM

I always saw it as a connection to Gandalf. denethor thought that gandalf had taken his son, and so refuses to love a "wizards pupil". However, no man can truly hate their son/daughtor.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-20-2003, 02:59 PM

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Yep, loved him to the point of immolation. I wish I loved my children that way

Not sure if this is right (again, I haven't read the books for almost a year) but I believe that Denethor tried to burn Faramir because he didn't want him living with the "shame" that Gondor had become. Or something like that. Maybe it's just my own wishing of it.

02-20-2003, 12:13 PM	#1
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Family feuds why did Denethor not like Faramir? if thats the correct statement... i know they didnt get on, but i dont know how far it went __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-20-2003, 01:00 PM	#2
lord of dor-lomin Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: dor-lomin, of course Posts: 167	I know there's a couple exact quotes that would give a better explanation, but I don't have my book now. To sum it up to the best of my memory, Faramir didn't have as much pride as Denethor and Boromir. For instance, Denethor didn't want to be replaced by the true king, where as Faramir welcomed him back. Also, Denethor saw Gandalf as an accomplice to Aragorn in the "plot" to supplant him, so he didn't like Gandalf much, but Faramir liked Gandalf and talked with him, so that's another point. __________________ I used to be indecisive. Now, I'm not so sure.

02-20-2003, 01:03 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	But don't forget that deep down, Denethor did love his son, it's just that politics got in the way (and Sauron's evil influence). __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-20-2003, 02:32 PM	#4
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Yep, loved him to the point of immolation. I wish I loved my children that way [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

02-20-2003, 02:51 PM	#5
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	I always saw it as a connection to Gandalf. denethor thought that gandalf had taken his son, and so refuses to love a "wizards pupil". However, no man can truly hate their son/daughtor. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~