My new Tolkien related book I'm writing - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 12-27-2002, 04:02 AM

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LePetitChoux · 12-27-2002, 06:35 AM

Cool! Are you going to try and publish it? It sounds like a really helpful project to people (like me) who want to know more about family trees etc. Good luck! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

busybee · 12-27-2002, 08:01 AM

Great Idea!Hope it goes well. Is the Complete Tolkien Companion good?I thought it looked kinda like a Tolkien Bible.Good Luck

Aragorn2002 · 12-27-2002, 08:42 AM

Great idea, i hope it works out.
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Lovely Wendie99

Nianna Telmnar · 12-27-2002, 08:52 AM

A very ambitious idea, but a good one. Best of luck to you! Keep us updated on your progress.

Aylwen Dreamsong · 12-27-2002, 09:13 AM

Good luck from me too! I hope it all goes well. Sounds useful and helpful. My father and his friend got quite confused after watching TTT, and I tried to explain it to him, but all he said was, "All I want is some sort of family tree! Or a guide or something!" I told him to read the books.

I especially like the idea for the Dwarves. Dwarves are my second favorite race [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Aylwen

Meela · 12-27-2002, 09:22 AM

great idea! u got the book too? it took a lot of hinting for me to get it! and its not a bible, more a complete encyclopedia

Arathiriel · 12-27-2002, 11:15 AM

I know one place Tolkien got his inspiration for the Rings of Power...

He looked into Norse mythology and indeed much of ME was inspired from that mythology right down to Tolkien's description of Gandalf the Grey...

I recommend you look into Norse mythology and just see how much of ME and its people comes from it...

Gralin Silverspear · 12-27-2002, 08:06 PM

Sounds cool. Ents are my fav. race and Dwarves are my second. We think alike. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Inwe · 12-27-2002, 08:24 PM

Tolkien definetely got a bunch of stuff from Norse mythology, I've read a lot about it, and the dwarves, for the most part, have Norse-sounding names.
You people are going to think I'm weird, but Aragorn reminds me of Sir Gawain from all the old King Arthur stories. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]
Best of luck, send me a copy when you are done, my poor,confused mother will finally get the whole Lord of the Rings series without asking me EVERYTHING.

Merri · 12-28-2002, 07:40 PM

I'll echo everyone else in saying: Cool idea, and best of luck. It sounds like it'd be a LOT of work.

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 12-28-2002, 08:43 PM

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Cherie Centaur · 12-29-2002, 09:17 AM

Wow! Sounds very ambitious. Can't wait to see the line for Ungoliant. It probably would be huge! By the way, my English teacher has the Tolkien companion but she doesn't like Fantasy.

Arwen Undómiel · 12-29-2002, 10:41 AM

Seems a really nice idea, but a little bit ambitious I should say?!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 12-29-2002, 07:27 PM

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Iargwath · 12-30-2002, 02:30 AM

Well good luck from me mate...Im sure things will go well with your book. Goodluck [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 12-31-2002, 03:19 AM

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Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-03-2003, 04:18 AM

Sorry for my mistake guys.
I had originally posted this thread in the books and it was moved here because 'The Books' are only meant for Tolkien books. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

"What's new" you ask?
Well....

I have completed 15 proper (That means I have done them properly on the computer) genealogies and only have about another 20 or more I think to do.

I have also done three (yes that's right) three calendars. I have done The Shire Reckoning (With proper weekdays and months) Bree Reckoning and King's Reckoning. I only have to do Steward's Reckoning, Dúnedain Reckoning, Calendar of Rivendell and New Reckoning.

I am having most trouble with New Reckoning as I found that some sources say one thing while others would say totally different things and it doesn't make sense!!

Anyway...A friend of mine and fellow Barrow-downer Iargwath (I think that's how you spell it) is doing the front cover (even though I haven't finished the book!). At the moment we are still deciding what to do (We are thinking of a Helmet dominating the cover, maybe with a white background or laying in the midst of a battle).
I am trying to stray away from scenes in Lotr, Hobbit and Silm as this book is about Middle-Earth.

A new thing I have done is the name or title of the book which I have decided to call "The Road to Middle-Earth".

The reason for this?
Because I have always thought that Tolkien liked the idea of roads and paths. In the Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo tells Frodo that the same road from Hobbiton leads to Rivendell and on to Esgaroth. Then we also have the paths of the dead. So in a sense, Roads can take us to danger and away from danger depending on the direction you take.

Also I feel as if Tolkien made his own path to M-E by bricks (Metaphoricly speaking his ideas and his way of story telling.

Another thing that I am adding to the book is a list of Middle-Earth names and their meanings.

Anyway,
Better get back to it.
Cya

[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Aragorn_the_Ranger ]

Iargwath · 01-03-2003, 04:34 AM

Well done Aragorn_The_Ranger! Great to hear on your progress with this project...well the sketches for the cover are underway my friend, so we'll see how it goes [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Good luck with the rest of the book...

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-03-2003, 07:23 AM

"The Road to Middle-Earth" is a great title; unfortunately for your project, it's already been used for a book written 20 years ago by T. A. Shippey. That's a book worth reading, by the way!

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-03-2003, 08:43 PM

Well there goes my original title [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Well as they say,
"Back to the drawing board"

(What did they go back to when drawing boards weren't invented?)

Cya

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-06-2003, 09:40 PM

Just gotta keep this thread going so it doesn't get lost in the Downs.

I haven't done much more work on the book because of the Silly Season upon us.

Anyway,

Cya

zacattack · 01-07-2003, 01:12 AM

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I have already done these tree lines on the computer so far,
Chieftains of the Dùnedain, Descendents of Prince Vidugavia of Rhovanion, Descent of Beorn, Descent of Dol Amroth, Kings of Arnor, Kings of Arthedain, Rhudaur and Cardolan, Kings of Dale, Kings of Gondor, Ruling Stewards of Gondor and The Kings of the Mark.

That sound pretty good Aragorn I already know alot about these families but I would like to know more about Prince Vidugavia of Rhovanion, Descent of Beorn and Descent of Dol Amroth.

They seem very interesting so would you be kind enough to either,produce a link to your works and email them to me at zacattack90@hotmail.com

Also about the Dwarves sounds very,very interesting as I have always wondered about what "House" Bifur,Bofur and Bombur came from and that would help me alot in my Story that I am currently starting so if you would be kind enough to either,produce a link to your works and email them to me at zacattack90@hotmail.com

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-08-2003, 12:39 AM

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Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-08-2003, 01:19 AM

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zacattack · 01-08-2003, 08:58 PM

Oh that's all right Jarryd,good luck anyway

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-08-2003, 10:57 PM

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Iargwath · 01-09-2003, 03:00 AM

Thanks for the update Jarryd [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Sounds like you have done a lot of work already!

zacattack · 01-10-2003, 05:27 PM

Man that's alot the Jarryd but I have a question

Who is the "Horse Lightfoot"

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-13-2003, 02:38 AM

The horse Lightfoot is in direct line of King Theoden's horse Snowmane.

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-16-2003, 02:56 AM

Well my original A4 pages of the family trees just got a new makeover. Originally they were plain white with a black border and black writing. Now the paper is old and looks like a parchment from the Library if Minas Tirith. I also used a few techniques to make the writing faded and it looks really cool though it takes a long time to do so. Iargwath has seen it though but apart from that no one else (Except for my brothers and my parents)

Anyway,
Cya

Iargwath · 01-16-2003, 05:07 AM

Cool stuff Aragorn...Love the work you are doing mate...I know ive said this before, but 'keep up the great work' [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-20-2003, 02:36 AM

Thanks Iargwath.

I think I should ask the public what they would also want me to add in the book.
Anything at all...just make a suggestion

doug*platypus · 01-20-2003, 02:57 AM

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I had originally posted this thread in the books and it was moved here because 'The Books' are only meant for Tolkien books.

That's classic! Hopefully one day you get at least one of your ideas published, then we can bring up a thread on it in Books! By then I should have about 3 million posts!

My favourite of your ideas is to collate all the Dwarf information. If you included, as you say, background stuff in one section such as dwarves in Norse legends, I'm sure you could pad it out to a whole book. You could maybe call it something simple and direct like Dwarves from Tolkien.

If you really want to get it off the ground, my advice would be to narrow and define your focus - decide exactly which idea you want to do first and go hard. Maybe think up a title soon and try to stick to that.

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 01-20-2003, 03:00 AM

Yeah...I like where you're going with this Mr. Doug.
But...I'm holding off on the dwarf book at the moment and concentrating on the family trees, calendars and stuff.

Anyway I'm also busy with my move script so looks like it might be a while

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 03-08-2003, 04:11 AM

So a lot of time has passed since I last graced these pages with my updates on my book. I have finished all genealogical trees and I have now started on my favorite race. The Ents. The thing that inspired me to research these delicate yet remarkably strong creatures is their look on life and their sad and unknown history. A re-reading of the “Two Towers” chapter ‘Treebeard’ has opened my mind to a lot of different things. I think now that I have actually discovered the actual distance that Entstrides are measured in. Unfortunately I am not one for maps and I have not yet been able to put my theory down properly. If anyone has any experience with maps could you please contact me so I can figure it out properly?

Another theory that I have (not based on the Ents though) is in the chapter “The Uruk-hai” the orcs give Merry and Pippin a drink. A hot liquid and revitalizing yet disgusting drink which I believe is to be a type of Whisky or Moonshine, though I will delve into that more when I start the next book on “Orcs and other terrible creatures”.

One thing that I have forgotten about is illustrations. That is why I bring it to you artist Downers that have a couple of non-used black and white sketches of non-characters from Middle-Earth (i.e. Ents! Orcs, Riders of Rohan, Gondorians, Hobbits etc, etc)

Cya's all later

Sillabub · 05-17-2003, 12:05 PM

Please post your story on Fanfiction.net once you've started it!!!I need something goood to read!!!

Aragorn_the_Ranger · 05-18-2003, 03:01 AM

Yeah..um
Pretty good that it ain't a story

12-27-2002, 04:02 AM	#1
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12-27-2002, 06:35 AM	#2
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Cool! Are you going to try and publish it? It sounds like a really helpful project to people (like me) who want to know more about family trees etc. Good luck! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

12-27-2002, 08:01 AM	#3
busybee Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood, Lothlorien...dream...actually the middle of nowhere...Mumbai Posts: 89	Great Idea!Hope it goes well. Is the Complete Tolkien Companion good?I thought it looked kinda like a Tolkien Bible.Good Luck __________________ Pleeze does anyone know of a magical doorway or something to Middle Earth!?!?

12-27-2002, 08:42 AM	#4
Aragorn2002 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: US Posts: 91	Great idea, i hope it works out. ________ Lovely Wendie99 Last edited by Aragorn2002; 04-15-2011 at 03:10 AM.

12-27-2002, 08:52 AM	#5
Nianna Telmnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 68	A very ambitious idea, but a good one. Best of luck to you! Keep us updated on your progress. __________________ "Don't Panic."

12-27-2002, 09:13 AM	#6
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,147	Good luck from me too! I hope it all goes well. Sounds useful and helpful. My father and his friend got quite confused after watching TTT, and I tried to explain it to him, but all he said was, "All I want is some sort of family tree! Or a guide or something!" I told him to read the books. I especially like the idea for the Dwarves. Dwarves are my second favorite race [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

12-27-2002, 09:22 AM	#7
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	great idea! u got the book too? it took a lot of hinting for me to get it! and its not a bible, more a complete encyclopedia __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

12-27-2002, 11:15 AM	#8
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	I know one place Tolkien got his inspiration for the Rings of Power... He looked into Norse mythology and indeed much of ME was inspired from that mythology right down to Tolkien's description of Gandalf the Grey... I recommend you look into Norse mythology and just see how much of ME and its people comes from it... __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

12-27-2002, 08:06 PM	#9
Gralin Silverspear Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 15	Sounds cool. Ents are my fav. race and Dwarves are my second. We think alike. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

12-27-2002, 08:24 PM	#10
Inwe Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: in a hole in the ground...there lived a hobbit....Too bad I'm not one of them Posts: 11	Tolkien definetely got a bunch of stuff from Norse mythology, I've read a lot about it, and the dwarves, for the most part, have Norse-sounding names. You people are going to think I'm weird, but Aragorn reminds me of Sir Gawain from all the old King Arthur stories. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Best of luck, send me a copy when you are done, my poor,confused mother will finally get the whole Lord of the Rings series without asking me EVERYTHING. __________________ It is in the dark that they eye begins to see

12-28-2002, 07:40 PM	#11
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	I'll echo everyone else in saying: Cool idea, and best of luck. It sounds like it'd be a LOT of work. __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

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12-29-2002, 09:17 AM	#13
Cherie Centaur Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cottage Cheese near the Gap Posts: 95	Wow! Sounds very ambitious. Can't wait to see the line for Ungoliant. It probably would be huge! By the way, my English teacher has the Tolkien companion but she doesn't like Fantasy. __________________ Why do we let the monkey slide for popping the weasel? Just because he thought it was fun? Guys, we're dealing with a psycho.

12-29-2002, 10:41 AM	#14
Arwen Undómiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sao Paulo Posts: 18	Seems a really nice idea, but a little bit ambitious I should say?!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end.

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12-30-2002, 02:30 AM	#16
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Well good luck from me mate...Im sure things will go well with your book. Goodluck [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

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01-03-2003, 04:18 AM	#18
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Sorry for my mistake guys. I had originally posted this thread in the books and it was moved here because 'The Books' are only meant for Tolkien books. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] "What's new" you ask? Well.... I have completed 15 proper (That means I have done them properly on the computer) genealogies and only have about another 20 or more I think to do. I have also done three (yes that's right) three calendars. I have done The Shire Reckoning (With proper weekdays and months) Bree Reckoning and King's Reckoning. I only have to do Steward's Reckoning, Dúnedain Reckoning, Calendar of Rivendell and New Reckoning. I am having most trouble with New Reckoning as I found that some sources say one thing while others would say totally different things and it doesn't make sense!! Anyway...A friend of mine and fellow Barrow-downer Iargwath (I think that's how you spell it) is doing the front cover (even though I haven't finished the book!). At the moment we are still deciding what to do (We are thinking of a Helmet dominating the cover, maybe with a white background or laying in the midst of a battle). I am trying to stray away from scenes in Lotr, Hobbit and Silm as this book is about Middle-Earth. A new thing I have done is the name or title of the book which I have decided to call "The Road to Middle-Earth". The reason for this? Because I have always thought that Tolkien liked the idea of roads and paths. In the Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo tells Frodo that the same road from Hobbiton leads to Rivendell and on to Esgaroth. Then we also have the paths of the dead. So in a sense, Roads can take us to danger and away from danger depending on the direction you take. Also I feel as if Tolkien made his own path to M-E by bricks (Metaphoricly speaking his ideas and his way of story telling. Another thing that I am adding to the book is a list of Middle-Earth names and their meanings. Anyway, Better get back to it. Cya [ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Aragorn_the_Ranger ]

01-03-2003, 04:34 AM	#19
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Well done Aragorn_The_Ranger! Great to hear on your progress with this project...well the sketches for the cover are underway my friend, so we'll see how it goes [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Good luck with the rest of the book... __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-03-2003, 07:23 AM	#20
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	"The Road to Middle-Earth" is a great title; unfortunately for your project, it's already been used for a book written 20 years ago by T. A. Shippey. That's a book worth reading, by the way! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-03-2003, 08:43 PM	#21
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Well there goes my original title [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Well as they say, "Back to the drawing board" (What did they go back to when drawing boards weren't invented?) Cya

01-06-2003, 09:40 PM	#22
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Just gotta keep this thread going so it doesn't get lost in the Downs. I haven't done much more work on the book because of the Silly Season upon us. Anyway, Cya

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zacattack Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Angband Posts: 70	Oh that's all right Jarryd,good luck anyway __________________ "The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark "What an excellent spot I choose"-Gimli "Would you like me to describe it to you or just fetch for a box"-Legolas

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01-09-2003, 03:00 AM	#28
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Thanks for the update Jarryd [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Sounds like you have done a lot of work already! __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-10-2003, 05:27 PM	#29
zacattack Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Angband Posts: 70	Man that's alot the Jarryd but I have a question Who is the "Horse Lightfoot" __________________ "The dwarf breathes so loud we could have shot him in the dark "What an excellent spot I choose"-Gimli "Would you like me to describe it to you or just fetch for a box"-Legolas

01-13-2003, 02:38 AM	#30
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	The horse Lightfoot is in direct line of King Theoden's horse Snowmane.

01-16-2003, 02:56 AM	#31
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Well my original A4 pages of the family trees just got a new makeover. Originally they were plain white with a black border and black writing. Now the paper is old and looks like a parchment from the Library if Minas Tirith. I also used a few techniques to make the writing faded and it looks really cool though it takes a long time to do so. Iargwath has seen it though but apart from that no one else (Except for my brothers and my parents) Anyway, Cya

01-16-2003, 05:07 AM	#32
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Cool stuff Aragorn...Love the work you are doing mate...I know ive said this before, but 'keep up the great work' [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-20-2003, 02:36 AM	#33
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Thanks Iargwath. I think I should ask the public what they would also want me to add in the book. Anything at all...just make a suggestion

01-20-2003, 03:00 AM	#35
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	Yeah...I like where you're going with this Mr. Doug. But...I'm holding off on the dwarf book at the moment and concentrating on the family trees, calendars and stuff. Anyway I'm also busy with my move script so looks like it might be a while

03-08-2003, 04:11 AM	#36
Aragorn_the_Ranger Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 70	So a lot of time has passed since I last graced these pages with my updates on my book. I have finished all genealogical trees and I have now started on my favorite race. The Ents. The thing that inspired me to research these delicate yet remarkably strong creatures is their look on life and their sad and unknown history. A re-reading of the “Two Towers” chapter ‘Treebeard’ has opened my mind to a lot of different things. I think now that I have actually discovered the actual distance that Entstrides are measured in. Unfortunately I am not one for maps and I have not yet been able to put my theory down properly. If anyone has any experience with maps could you please contact me so I can figure it out properly? Another theory that I have (not based on the Ents though) is in the chapter “The Uruk-hai” the orcs give Merry and Pippin a drink. A hot liquid and revitalizing yet disgusting drink which I believe is to be a type of Whisky or Moonshine, though I will delve into that more when I start the next book on “Orcs and other terrible creatures”. One thing that I have forgotten about is illustrations. That is why I bring it to you artist Downers that have a couple of non-used black and white sketches of non-characters from Middle-Earth (i.e. Ents! Orcs, Riders of Rohan, Gondorians, Hobbits etc, etc) Cya's all later

05-17-2003, 12:05 PM	#37
Sillabub Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: GONDOR!! Posts: 138	Please post your story on Fanfiction.net once you've started it!!!I need something goood to read!!! __________________ They were holding umbrellas. Not just any umbrellas- BLACK umbrellas. Not just ANY black umbrellas- these were...(knuckle-biting time) the BLACK UMBRELLAS OF DEATH!!!!! cue sinister music