Can Orcs think for themselves? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Aelfwine · 12-26-2002, 10:45 AM

I thought that if Orcs weren't working for a powerful master they were pretty much mindless. But in LoTR, the Orcs that captured Merry and Pippin included Orcs from Moria who were working on their own, not for Sauron or Saruman.

Also, after Sauron was defeated after the Last Alliance, Orcs still organized and attacked Isildur. How is this possible?

Tyler · 12-26-2002, 11:29 AM

Yes thay could think for themselves. How could you not be able to think and fight. All thay would know would be kill and kill everything in sight including other orcs. Thay could think but probaly only the basics like eat, sleep, and ally.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-26-2002, 12:09 PM

Orcs were originally corrupted elves. They inherited the traits of the elves, who were the first sentient creatures native to Arda. The orcs could definetly think for themselves.

nuguernachil · 12-26-2002, 06:18 PM

that's so sad.

LOTR_know-it-all55 · 01-04-2003, 12:01 PM

Orcs can definitely think for themselves. They can make their own decisions but normally are within the boundaries of their orders.(if they have a master) They were after all originally elves.

12-26-2002, 10:45 AM	#1
Aelfwine Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Here, there and everywhere Posts: 19	Can Orcs think for themselves? I thought that if Orcs weren't working for a powerful master they were pretty much mindless. But in LoTR, the Orcs that captured Merry and Pippin included Orcs from Moria who were working on their own, not for Sauron or Saruman. Also, after Sauron was defeated after the Last Alliance, Orcs still organized and attacked Isildur. How is this possible?

12-26-2002, 11:29 AM	#2
Tyler Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 37	Yes thay could think for themselves. How could you not be able to think and fight. All thay would know would be kill and kill everything in sight including other orcs. Thay could think but probaly only the basics like eat, sleep, and ally. __________________ Not all who wander are lost. -Tolkien

12-26-2002, 12:09 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Orcs were originally corrupted elves. They inherited the traits of the elves, who were the first sentient creatures native to Arda. The orcs could definetly think for themselves. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-26-2002, 06:18 PM	#4
nuguernachil Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Desmeyne! Posts: 13	that's so sad. __________________ "i'm the prettiest elf!"

01-04-2003, 12:01 PM	#5
LOTR_know-it-all55 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Meduseld Posts: 46	Orcs can definitely think for themselves. They can make their own decisions but normally are within the boundaries of their orders.(if they have a master) They were after all originally elves. __________________ Legolas Greenleaf, long under tree in joy thou hast lived.Beware of the Sea! If thou hearest the cry of the gull on the shore, thy heart shall then rest in the forest no more.