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Ainaserkewen · 04-16-2003, 01:47 PM

I've always wondered about Beorn. What is he? Man or Maiar or Magical creature created by higher life? Does anyone know for sure? And if there is no for sure, what are your guestimations?

Galadrie1 · 04-16-2003, 02:39 PM

Here are some threads about Beorn.

Next time, try the search feature.

EDIT: Aaah, Earwen, I'm scared. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] I guess great minds think alike. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: Galadrie1 ]

elven maiden Earwen · 04-16-2003, 02:39 PM

try here, here, here, or here, ormaybe here
your choice

thank you, yup great minds do think alike
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[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: elven maiden Earwen ]

Salocin · 04-16-2003, 05:23 PM

He was a man. The greatest of a race known as the Beornlings. They all had the bear changing ability to a greater or lesser extent. He was also some sort of magician.

Legolas · 04-16-2003, 08:46 PM

Or you could go to the article I wrote on Beorn on this site:
http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_beorn.asp

Rumil · 04-16-2003, 10:19 PM

(In a desperate attempt to say something novel about Beorn, well sort of ask really, OK then),

We know that Beorn had descendents, eg. Grimbeorn who kept his lands free of the goblins. We also know that he was head of a society of 'Beornings'. One question suggests itself; how widespread was Beorn's shapechanging ability? Was it confined only to Beorn himself, his direct relatives (either transmitted genetically or by learning the 'magic'), or was this ability commonplace amongst the entire race?

Remember, the Beornings came under attack from the forces of Sauron during the War of the Ring, rather a daunting prospect for the poor Snagas if they were all 'skinchangers'.

Obviously I'm just looking for opinions!

Salocin · 04-17-2003, 03:18 PM

It is generally accepted to be genetic/inherrited. All Beornings could become bears, but Beorn could become a HUGE bear. I always assumed his "magic" reffered to other powers he had that were never mentioned.

Ainaserkewen · 04-17-2003, 03:40 PM

Uh, thanks guys. I was just curious.
But, um, where did he come from? Does it say somewhere who created the Beornings and way? Like they did of dwarves in the Silm.
I know, I'm picky...

Salocin · 04-17-2003, 03:50 PM

The Beornings are just a race of men with a weird, inherent power. Where they came from exactly and why they are not mentioned in the Sillmarilion is even more mystirious than where Tom came from. Atleast now (after years of waiting) we know he's a maia.

Meoshi · 04-17-2003, 03:54 PM

We do? When was this?

Iargwath · 04-18-2003, 07:12 AM

Beorn is not a Maia. He is a man. Gandalf quotes about Beorn in The Hobbit

Quote:

A man; no doubt a bit of a sorceror, but a man.

Furthermore in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien No 144,1954 Tolkien states that despite Beorn's remarkable abilities, he still belonged to the race of Men.

elven maiden Earwen · 04-18-2003, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Atleast now (after years of waiting) we know he's a maia.

They werer talking about Tom Bombail not Beorn.

the guy who be short · 04-18-2003, 10:41 AM

yes, but how do we know hes a maia? i thought itwas still a hotly debated issue. explain please

Salocin · 04-18-2003, 02:41 PM

Thanks Earwen, I guess I was a little unclear. As for Tom being a Maia (the mods are hanging over us even as we speak [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )I thought that was thourowly (sp?) established after the Peoples of Middle Earth came out. At least I think that was the HoME it was in.

Rumil · 04-18-2003, 07:08 PM

As far as I know , there is no Tolkien text which shows whether or not the rest of the Beornings were shapechangers, (that's why I asked for opinions) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

04-16-2003, 01:47 PM	#1
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Run!!! It's the bear man!!! I've always wondered about Beorn. What is he? Man or Maiar or Magical creature created by higher life? Does anyone know for sure? And if there is no for sure, what are your guestimations? __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

04-16-2003, 02:39 PM	#2
Galadrie1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The wrong place at the wrong time. Posts: 385	Here are some threads about Beorn. Next time, try the search feature. EDIT: Aaah, Earwen, I'm scared. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] I guess great minds think alike. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: Galadrie1 ] __________________ "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe; though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem to use the same word of the deceits of the Enemy. But this, if you will, is the magic of Galadriel."

04-16-2003, 02:39 PM	#3
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	try here, here, here, or here, ormaybe here your choice thank you, yup great minds do think alike [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: elven maiden Earwen ] __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-16-2003, 05:23 PM	#4
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	He was a man. The greatest of a race known as the Beornlings. They all had the bear changing ability to a greater or lesser extent. He was also some sort of magician. __________________ Christ is Risen!

04-16-2003, 08:46 PM	#5
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Or you could go to the article I wrote on Beorn on this site: http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_beorn.asp __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

04-16-2003, 10:19 PM	#6
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	(In a desperate attempt to say something novel about Beorn, well sort of ask really, OK then), We know that Beorn had descendents, eg. Grimbeorn who kept his lands free of the goblins. We also know that he was head of a society of 'Beornings'. One question suggests itself; how widespread was Beorn's shapechanging ability? Was it confined only to Beorn himself, his direct relatives (either transmitted genetically or by learning the 'magic'), or was this ability commonplace amongst the entire race? Remember, the Beornings came under attack from the forces of Sauron during the War of the Ring, rather a daunting prospect for the poor Snagas if they were all 'skinchangers'. Obviously I'm just looking for opinions! __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

04-17-2003, 03:18 PM	#7
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	It is generally accepted to be genetic/inherrited. All Beornings could become bears, but Beorn could become a HUGE bear. I always assumed his "magic" reffered to other powers he had that were never mentioned. __________________ Christ is Risen!

04-17-2003, 03:40 PM	#8
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Uh, thanks guys. I was just curious. But, um, where did he come from? Does it say somewhere who created the Beornings and way? Like they did of dwarves in the Silm. I know, I'm picky... __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

04-17-2003, 03:50 PM	#9
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	The Beornings are just a race of men with a weird, inherent power. Where they came from exactly and why they are not mentioned in the Sillmarilion is even more mystirious than where Tom came from. Atleast now (after years of waiting) we know he's a maia. __________________ Christ is Risen!

04-17-2003, 03:54 PM	#10
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	We do? When was this?

04-18-2003, 10:41 AM	#13
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	yes, but how do we know hes a maia? i thought itwas still a hotly debated issue. explain please

04-18-2003, 02:41 PM	#14
Salocin Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Zion Posts: 106	Thanks Earwen, I guess I was a little unclear. As for Tom being a Maia (the mods are hanging over us even as we speak [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )I thought that was thourowly (sp?) established after the Peoples of Middle Earth came out. At least I think that was the HoME it was in. __________________ Christ is Risen!

04-18-2003, 07:08 PM	#15
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	As far as I know , there is no Tolkien text which shows whether or not the rest of the Beornings were shapechangers, (that's why I asked for opinions) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion