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the real findorfin · 06-11-2002, 09:52 AM

We all know that elves went into the west and disappeared.

Then men take over, but people forget the dwarves. What happened to them?

Did they mix with men or what?

And what about orcs come to think of it?

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-11-2002, 10:57 AM

The Dwarves probably hid from Humans and died off, like Mim of the Petty Dwarves in The Silmarillion.

The orcs, who were corruptions of Elves, were probably hunted and killed off by humans.

Kuruharan · 06-11-2002, 12:46 PM

Apparently they just went into their mountains and disappeared. There is speculation that they died off, but if they vanished into the mountains, then you would not know that.

There might still be some of us...uh, I mean them, hidden away in some deep dark caverns under some massive mountains, with their Internet hook-ups, cell phones, etc.

You just never know...

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The Silver-shod Muse · 06-12-2002, 10:30 AM

I guess the innocent little hobbit-folk died out too then... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img], or maybe they stuck around and became more and more secretive until men began calling them "elves" after forgetting about the real ones. Perhaps that's how we got the idea that elves are Santa's little helpers and other such nonsense.

MallornLeaf · 06-12-2002, 12:13 PM

As far as hobbits go, it is hinted at that they mixed in and eventually grew to be as tall as men. *is there hobbit in me?* and for dwarves, maybe they still live in mountains that we've never been under. . . [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Elrian · 06-12-2002, 01:20 PM

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As far as hobbits go, it is hinted at that they mixed in and eventually grew to be as tall as men. *is there hobbit in me?* and for dwarves, maybe they still live in mountains that we've never been under. . .

Where in the book did you see that? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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I suppose Hobbits need some description nowadays, since they have become rare and shy of Big People, as they call us. They are (or were) a little people, about half our height, and smaller than the bearded Dwarves. Hobbits had no beards. There is little or no magic about them, except the ordinary everyday sort which helps them to disappear quietly and quickly when large stupid folk like you and me come blundering along, making a noise like elephants which they can hear a mile off.- The Hobbit

The (or were) seems to mean extinct.

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The final fate of Dwarves is uncertain. The Elves said that they have no life beyond Arda and the death of their bodies. But the dwarves themselves claimed that Aule would bring them to the Halls of Mandos, whence they will join the Children of Iluvatar at the end. - TCGTME

There could be a more detailed account of the fate of Dwarves in one of the HoME's, perhaps someone will enlighten us with more about Dwarves fate.

06-12-2002, 06:25 PM

I don't know if it has any truth in it, or where I got the idea, but I always thought that after men began to take over the world, the dwarves went to the mountains (possibaly retook Moria, and it becam Khazad-Dum again). The mountains were "closed up" by the dwarves, and then they passed out of all knowlodge. And to this day, they are probally still there, mining and making, content as dwarves can be. That is my opinion.

06-11-2002, 09:52 AM	#1
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Dwarves? We all know that elves went into the west and disappeared. Then men take over, but people forget the dwarves. What happened to them? Did they mix with men or what? And what about orcs come to think of it? __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

06-11-2002, 10:57 AM	#2
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	The Dwarves probably hid from Humans and died off, like Mim of the Petty Dwarves in The Silmarillion. The orcs, who were corruptions of Elves, were probably hunted and killed off by humans. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-11-2002, 12:46 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Apparently they just went into their mountains and disappeared. There is speculation that they died off, but if they vanished into the mountains, then you would not know that. There might still be some of us...uh, I mean them, hidden away in some deep dark caverns under some massive mountains, with their Internet hook-ups, cell phones, etc. You just never know... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-12-2002, 10:30 AM	#4
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I guess the innocent little hobbit-folk died out too then... [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img], or maybe they stuck around and became more and more secretive until men began calling them "elves" after forgetting about the real ones. Perhaps that's how we got the idea that elves are Santa's little helpers and other such nonsense. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

06-12-2002, 12:13 PM	#5
MallornLeaf Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: who cares? Posts: 76	As far as hobbits go, it is hinted at that they mixed in and eventually grew to be as tall as men. is there hobbit in me? and for dwarves, maybe they still live in mountains that we've never been under. . . [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ ". . . All we must decide is what to do with the time that is given us." "I pass the test, I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."

06-12-2002, 06:25 PM	#7
Thinlaithion Guest Posts: n/a	I don't know if it has any truth in it, or where I got the idea, but I always thought that after men began to take over the world, the dwarves went to the mountains (possibaly retook Moria, and it becam Khazad-Dum again). The mountains were "closed up" by the dwarves, and then they passed out of all knowlodge. And to this day, they are probally still there, mining and making, content as dwarves can be. That is my opinion.