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Aldagrim Proudfoot · 07-30-2002, 07:37 AM

Did Morgoth recruit Maiar other than the Balrogs and Sauron?

Gayalondiel · 07-30-2002, 07:50 AM

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For of the Maiar many were drawn to his splendour in the days of his greatness, and remained in that allegiance down into his darkness; and others he corrupted afterwards to his service with lies and treachorous gifts. Dreadful among those spirits were the Valaraukar,

~Valaquenta: Of the Enemies

I'm not terribly well-versed in the Sil and HoME, so this might be wrong. But to me this passage suggests that there were many corrupted, and only some were Balrogs (Valaraukar). If the only other one was Sauron, I think it would have been more specific to that. So my guess is yes, he did [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

O'Boile · 07-30-2002, 09:19 AM

Yes, I would also guess that he did, although it is vauge. There is some speculation that other beings such as dragons may be corrupted Maiar, however I'm not sure if I believe that.

Galorme · 07-30-2002, 01:53 PM

It has been considered that the Werewolves and the Watchers at Cirith Ungol may be possesed with evil Maia. Personelly i feel that every Spirit in Ea was at one point a Maia, unless they came from one of the Mortal Folk.

kingangmar · 08-01-2002, 03:18 PM

I would also consider the corrupted Saruman "the many colored" who was himself one of the Istari , a group including Gandalf "the gray" who is definatly knowen to be Olorin THe Maiar. Saruman created his own Orc hosts and unamed perversions in the tower of Orthanc and desired Power no less than that of the dark lord himself thoroughly aligning hiself with the dark

burrahobbit · 08-01-2002, 03:21 PM

Morgoth didn't corrupt Saruman, though.

Manwe Sulimo · 08-02-2002, 09:28 AM

Remember Ossë?

(Yes, I know he was redeemed, but all the same....)

The Silver-shod Muse · 08-05-2002, 05:07 PM

Weren't the Wargs corrupted spirits?

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 08-06-2002, 07:21 AM

Yes, and so were werewolves, but that doesn't mean they were Maiar. It just means they were spirits.

07-30-2002, 07:37 AM	#1
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	Evil Maiar Did Morgoth recruit Maiar other than the Balrogs and Sauron? __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

07-30-2002, 01:53 PM	#4
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	It has been considered that the Werewolves and the Watchers at Cirith Ungol may be possesed with evil Maia. Personelly i feel that every Spirit in Ea was at one point a Maia, unless they came from one of the Mortal Folk. __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

08-01-2002, 03:21 PM	#6
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Morgoth didn't corrupt Saruman, though. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

08-02-2002, 09:28 AM	#7
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Remember Ossë? (Yes, I know he was redeemed, but all the same....) __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

08-05-2002, 05:07 PM	#8
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	Weren't the Wargs corrupted spirits? __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

07-30-2002, 09:19 AM	#3
O'Boile Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 117	Yes, I would also guess that he did, although it is vauge. There is some speculation that other beings such as dragons may be corrupted Maiar, however I'm not sure if I believe that.

08-01-2002, 03:18 PM	#5
kingangmar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: south lake tahoe CA Posts: 12	I would also consider the corrupted Saruman "the many colored" who was himself one of the Istari , a group including Gandalf "the gray" who is definatly knowen to be Olorin THe Maiar. Saruman created his own Orc hosts and unamed perversions in the tower of Orthanc and desired Power no less than that of the dark lord himself thoroughly aligning hiself with the dark

08-06-2002, 07:21 AM	#9
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	Yes, and so were werewolves, but that doesn't mean they were Maiar. It just means they were spirits. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!