Gandalf = Maia? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

dragongirlG · 04-07-2002, 10:39 AM

I'm sorry if this in another thread or something, but I'm wondering...Gandalf is a Maia, right? In The Silmarillion it says Olorin was a Maia, and he took the shapes of Elves sometimes. Isn't Olorin the same as Gandalf? But he's also one of the Istari. How is that possible? I haven't finished The Sil yet, but could someone please help me? Thanks.

Gayalondiel · 04-07-2002, 11:20 AM

Olorin is gandalf, and he is a Maia. the Istari were 5 maiar who were sent to middle-earth by the valar to counter the shadow growing (then) in mirkwood. so gandalf is a maia selected to be one of the istari. the same is true of saruman, radagast and the two blue wizards (the names escape me). for a fulller and more legible account (i'm still 1/2 asleep), look in unfinished tales, theres a section on the istari [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Hope that helped instead of confusing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

VanimaEdhel · 04-07-2002, 03:49 PM

Gayalondiel: Grrr: thanks for taking the question! LOL: I was all psyched to sound intelligent, then I see that you have answered the question. Oh well: yes, Gayalondiel is correct and, because I have not read UT yet, I cannot tell the other two wizards' names. I only know of them through mention in here and brief mention in other Tolkien books I have read.

And, Gayalondiel: most people in here cannot remember the other Istari's names, so it is okay. I have come across many mentionings on here of, "Well, yes, there were two others and there names were...yeah...", then the next one is something like, "I know! I forgot the other names!". So: I guess someone will reply to this and tell me the names *please do [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] !*, so: you guys will probably get your names!

Lindolirian · 04-07-2002, 08:32 PM

The other two wizards were the Blue Wizards, Alatar and Pallando. They just kinda went off onto the east past Rhun and were never heard of again. It was theorized that one )or both) might have be "seduced by the Dark Side of the Force" i mean, uh, went over to Sauron's side like Saruman or were killed by Sauron. other than that there is nuthin about them....

Gayalondiel · 04-08-2002, 04:13 PM

LOL VanimaEdhel, sorry for taking the question but the istari are about the only thing intelligent about. everything else leaves me so confused... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

04-07-2002, 10:39 AM	#1
dragongirlG Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stock, the Shire Posts: 151	Gandalf = Maia? I'm sorry if this in another thread or something, but I'm wondering...Gandalf is a Maia, right? In The Silmarillion it says Olorin was a Maia, and he took the shapes of Elves sometimes. Isn't Olorin the same as Gandalf? But he's also one of the Istari. How is that possible? I haven't finished The Sil yet, but could someone please help me? Thanks.

04-07-2002, 11:20 AM	#2
Gayalondiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: My own little wierd, wierd world Posts: 133	Olorin is gandalf, and he is a Maia. the Istari were 5 maiar who were sent to middle-earth by the valar to counter the shadow growing (then) in mirkwood. so gandalf is a maia selected to be one of the istari. the same is true of saruman, radagast and the two blue wizards (the names escape me). for a fulller and more legible account (i'm still 1/2 asleep), look in unfinished tales, theres a section on the istari [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Hope that helped instead of confusing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Not another ****ing Elf! ~C.S.Lewis

04-07-2002, 03:49 PM	#3
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Gayalondiel: Grrr: thanks for taking the question! LOL: I was all psyched to sound intelligent, then I see that you have answered the question. Oh well: yes, Gayalondiel is correct and, because I have not read UT yet, I cannot tell the other two wizards' names. I only know of them through mention in here and brief mention in other Tolkien books I have read. And, Gayalondiel: most people in here cannot remember the other Istari's names, so it is okay. I have come across many mentionings on here of, "Well, yes, there were two others and there names were...yeah...", then the next one is something like, "I know! I forgot the other names!". So: I guess someone will reply to this and tell me the names please do [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] !, so: you guys will probably get your names! __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

04-07-2002, 08:32 PM	#4
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	The other two wizards were the Blue Wizards, Alatar and Pallando. They just kinda went off onto the east past Rhun and were never heard of again. It was theorized that one )or both) might have be "seduced by the Dark Side of the Force" i mean, uh, went over to Sauron's side like Saruman or were killed by Sauron. other than that there is nuthin about them.... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-08-2002, 04:13 PM	#5
Gayalondiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: My own little wierd, wierd world Posts: 133	LOL VanimaEdhel, sorry for taking the question but the istari are about the only thing intelligent about. everything else leaves me so confused... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Not another ****ing Elf! ~C.S.Lewis