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Feanor of the Peredhil · 04-07-2003, 02:31 PM

Has it occured to any that the same drunken guard from The Hobbit in the Woodland Realm was probably the same guy who let Gollum climb that tree? I mean, the guards sitting around the tree were probably sleeping off a few vintage Dorwinion casks, when BAM! A couple of orcs killed them. Then of course you'd have Legolas show up and see them all dead and say: "Aye! Aye! I'm in for it now!" Seriously though, how inept were these guards that they let 13 dwarves, and invisible hobbit, and a gangrel little Smeagol escape... and those are just the ones we know of?

Kuruharan · 04-07-2003, 03:09 PM

Well, I suppose it is possible that it was the same guard. The Elves seemed to have rather lax internal security. They trusted in their "magic" gates.

As I recall, the Elves let Gollum climb the tree because they were trying to be nice to him. When he would not come down they did not go up to get him. The guards were then killed by an attack of orcs. If there is any blaming to be done it should be of the watchers and scouts who did not see this enemy force. Not the guards that did not know about the danger.

HCIsland · 04-07-2003, 05:29 PM

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Then of course you'd have Legolas show up and see them all dead and say: "Aye! Aye! I'm in for it now!"

Thanks for that visual.

H.C.

Pukel-Man · 04-07-2003, 07:16 PM

The elves may be less intellectually gifted than we thought if they put their trust in the same "guard" more than once.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 04-08-2003, 06:09 AM

But I thought that Baggins chap was just very clever..... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Seriously though, the above post is right. You can't blame the guards for the Gollum incident. Any idea how large a force of Orcs it was that attacked?

Legolas · 04-09-2003, 02:02 PM

Yeah! Letting an invisible hobbit escape - how silly is that?! Must've been some stupid elves in Mirkwood.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 04-10-2003, 08:54 AM

If nobody has noticed, I was being rather sarcastic in reference to the invisible hobbit. My post was meant to bring up the question of how infallible the Mirkwood Elves thought that their security was. It seems a bit un-Elvish that they would leave prisoners unattended (in The Hobbit) or that the scouts would not notice an army of orcs rampaging their forest (LOTR). I was stunned to think that this awsome race could make such mistakes as to allow for the escape of so many prisoners. And if nobody minds my saying so, being drunk is not an excuse.

Tar-Palantir · 04-10-2003, 11:00 AM

Speaking to The Hobbit, they escaped by the skin of their teeth, had to wait quite a long time to do so (find a plan), and nearly drowned as a result. It's not like they just walked out the front gate. Small windows of opportunity (in this case being drunk/unattentive) can bring about great deeds.

While speaking of the infallibility of 'awesome' races, don't you remember a little guy named Melkor and a beast named Ungoliant? They snuck in and out. Both the escapes of Melkor and the Dwarves happened during a time of revelry.

tp

[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

mark12_30 · 09-02-2006, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Has it occured to any that the same drunken guard from The Hobbit in the Woodland Realm was probably the same guy who let Gollum climb that tree? I mean, the guards sitting around the tree were probably sleeping off a few vintage Dorwinion casks, when BAM! A couple of orcs killed them. Then of course you'd have Legolas show up and see them all dead and say: "Aye! Aye! I'm in for it now!"

I think he would have said: "Ai, Ai!" Them elves do spell funny.

Morsul the Dark · 09-02-2006, 12:01 PM

It may have been the same guard however gollum is very sneaky not to mention the fact the original guards was probably reprenmanded the guard the first time 'round (maybe legolas was adminstering the punishment thus explaining his absence for the the battle of five armies

04-07-2003, 02:31 PM	#1
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	The Inept Guard Has it occured to any that the same drunken guard from The Hobbit in the Woodland Realm was probably the same guy who let Gollum climb that tree? I mean, the guards sitting around the tree were probably sleeping off a few vintage Dorwinion casks, when BAM! A couple of orcs killed them. Then of course you'd have Legolas show up and see them all dead and say: "Aye! Aye! I'm in for it now!" Seriously though, how inept were these guards that they let 13 dwarves, and invisible hobbit, and a gangrel little Smeagol escape... and those are just the ones we know of? __________________ peace

04-07-2003, 03:09 PM	#2
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Well, I suppose it is possible that it was the same guard. The Elves seemed to have rather lax internal security. They trusted in their "magic" gates. As I recall, the Elves let Gollum climb the tree because they were trying to be nice to him. When he would not come down they did not go up to get him. The guards were then killed by an attack of orcs. If there is any blaming to be done it should be of the watchers and scouts who did not see this enemy force. Not the guards that did not know about the danger. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

04-07-2003, 07:16 PM	#4
Pukel-Man Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona, -East of Dunharrow Posts: 54	The elves may be less intellectually gifted than we thought if they put their trust in the same "guard" more than once. __________________ This is not the time or the place to perform some kind of a half-assed autopsy on a fish... And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock!-Mayor Vaughn

04-08-2003, 06:09 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	But I thought that Baggins chap was just very clever..... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Seriously though, the above post is right. You can't blame the guards for the Gollum incident. Any idea how large a force of Orcs it was that attacked? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

04-09-2003, 02:02 PM	#6
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Yeah! Letting an invisible hobbit escape - how silly is that?! Must've been some stupid elves in Mirkwood. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

04-10-2003, 08:54 AM	#7
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	If nobody has noticed, I was being rather sarcastic in reference to the invisible hobbit. My post was meant to bring up the question of how infallible the Mirkwood Elves thought that their security was. It seems a bit un-Elvish that they would leave prisoners unattended (in The Hobbit) or that the scouts would not notice an army of orcs rampaging their forest (LOTR). I was stunned to think that this awsome race could make such mistakes as to allow for the escape of so many prisoners. And if nobody minds my saying so, being drunk is not an excuse. __________________ peace

04-10-2003, 11:00 AM	#8
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	Speaking to The Hobbit, they escaped by the skin of their teeth, had to wait quite a long time to do so (find a plan), and nearly drowned as a result. It's not like they just walked out the front gate. Small windows of opportunity (in this case being drunk/unattentive) can bring about great deeds. While speaking of the infallibility of 'awesome' races, don't you remember a little guy named Melkor and a beast named Ungoliant? They snuck in and out. Both the escapes of Melkor and the Dwarves happened during a time of revelry. tp [ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ] __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

09-02-2006, 12:01 PM	#10
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	It may have been the same guard however gollum is very sneaky not to mention the fact the original guards was probably reprenmanded the guard the first time 'round (maybe legolas was adminstering the punishment thus explaining his absence for the the battle of five armies __________________ Morsul the Resurrected