NAZGÛL: Absent Without Leave? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Manwe Sulimo · 09-05-2002, 12:52 PM

Doesn't the Siege of Barad-dûr remind you of the War of Wrath? A whole buncha goodies getting ****ed off at orcs, rouge Maiar, and stupid men, riding in to save their kindred/kick some evil *ss, and save the world from the darkness of Melkor, at least for a little while?

During the War of Wrath, all them Balrogs and Dragons were killed (except those few who went into them grimy holes they call "deep places"), and a whole buncha orcs were, too. The same for the Siege of Barad-dûr...all them orcs were killed, and no more troubled Gondor for a few thousand years.

So, what about Sauron's equivalent to Balrogs and Dragons...the Nazzies? Where were they during the Last Alliance? They certainly weren't helping their master fight Gil-galad and Elendil. It could've been easy for one of them to do something like this:

ELENDIL: Alright, then, men! Get that ballista up here!

NAZGÛL: [SWOOP]

ELENDIL: (headless) Urk!

Methinks the Nazzies went AWOL to fool with some lonely elf-maidens.

Which leads (not very directly, though) to another question:

"How, if it was the siege of Barad-dûr, did Sauron get to Orodruin to wrestle with Elendil and Gil-galad?"

Don't worry, I was quoting myself.

Angmar_the_Horrible · 09-05-2002, 01:38 PM

It is quite funny, exactly the same discussion is on at teh moment on the German
LOTR forum where I use to spend most of my
online time...Where were the Nazgul during
the battle of the Last Alliance?
We came to no solution, because it is not
said in any of the books.
But we think they were involved as Saurons
generals, maybe in the background.
But we will never know exactly...

Or they were indeed with the elven-maidens [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]
We do in fact have a role playing in the forum in which they run a pub and getting
married..... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Manwe Sulimo · 09-05-2002, 02:11 PM

Hmm...I've never been to the German forums, either. Coincidence...or something far more sinister?

Arwen Imladris · 09-05-2002, 02:22 PM

Maybe they were not finished training yet? The rings had been around for a little while, but perhaps it took a while for the men to go completly evil enough to serve Sauron in the way that they did in LOTR?

Manwe Sulimo · 09-05-2002, 03:18 PM

Quote:

...about this time the Nazgûl, or Ringwraiths, slaves of the Nine Rings, first appear.

This was the entry in the Tale of Years for SA 2251...1190 years before the Battle of Dagorlad.

[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Manwe Sulimo ]

O'Boile · 09-06-2002, 08:00 AM

They were probably around, but their strength was in fear, not actual battle prowess. That plus the size of the battle, is probably why they were not with Sauron.

lathspell · 09-06-2002, 08:11 AM

why should they be with him? They are his slaves, not his personal High-Guars. I guess he has many an Olog-Hai for that. I think they were fighting there as well, but I do not know where and if they were together or no.

greetings,
lathspell

Manwe Sulimo · 09-06-2002, 12:47 PM

Yay! My 100th post comes on my 15th birthday [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]!

Anywho....the Nazzies were the captains of Sauron's armies, so one would expect them to be there at Dagorlad and the Siege. I didn't think of them as Sauron's bodyguards, since they weren't mentioned as being a part of the battle of Elendil and Gil-galad against Sauron....

I'm not positive about this, but weren't the Olog-hai created during the Third Age?

09-05-2002, 12:52 PM	#1
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	NAZGÛL: Absent Without Leave? Doesn't the Siege of Barad-dûr remind you of the War of Wrath? A whole buncha goodies getting ***ed off at orcs, rouge Maiar, and stupid men, riding in to save their kindred/kick some evil ss, and save the world from the darkness of Melkor, at least for a little while? During the War of Wrath, all them Balrogs and Dragons were killed (except those few who went into them grimy holes they call "deep places"), and a whole buncha orcs were, too. The same for the Siege of Barad-dûr...all them orcs were killed, and no more troubled Gondor for a few thousand years. So, what about Sauron's equivalent to Balrogs and Dragons...the Nazzies? Where were they during the Last Alliance? They certainly weren't helping their master fight Gil-galad and Elendil. It could've been easy for one of them to do something like this: ELENDIL: Alright, then, men! Get that ballista up here! NAZGÛL: [SWOOP] ELENDIL: (headless) Urk! Methinks the Nazzies went AWOL to fool with some lonely elf-maidens. Which leads (not very directly, though) to another question: "How, if it was the siege of Barad-dûr, did Sauron get to Orodruin to wrestle with Elendil and Gil-galad?" Don't worry, I was quoting myself. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

09-05-2002, 01:38 PM	#2
Angmar_the_Horrible Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 18	It is quite funny, exactly the same discussion is on at teh moment on the German LOTR forum where I use to spend most of my online time...Where were the Nazgul during the battle of the Last Alliance? We came to no solution, because it is not said in any of the books. But we think they were involved as Saurons generals, maybe in the background. But we will never know exactly... Or they were indeed with the elven-maidens [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] We do in fact have a role playing in the forum in which they run a pub and getting married..... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "Old fool! Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!"

09-05-2002, 02:11 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Hmm...I've never been to the German forums, either. Coincidence...or something far more sinister? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

09-05-2002, 02:22 PM	#4
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Maybe they were not finished training yet? The rings had been around for a little while, but perhaps it took a while for the men to go completly evil enough to serve Sauron in the way that they did in LOTR? __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-06-2002, 08:11 AM	#7
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	why should they be with him? They are his slaves, not his personal High-Guars. I guess he has many an Olog-Hai for that. I think they were fighting there as well, but I do not know where and if they were together or no. greetings, lathspell __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'

09-06-2002, 08:00 AM	#6
O'Boile Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 117	They were probably around, but their strength was in fear, not actual battle prowess. That plus the size of the battle, is probably why they were not with Sauron.

09-06-2002, 12:47 PM	#8
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Yay! My 100th post comes on my 15th birthday [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]! Anywho....the Nazzies were the captains of Sauron's armies, so one would expect them to be there at Dagorlad and the Siege. I didn't think of them as Sauron's bodyguards, since they weren't mentioned as being a part of the battle of Elendil and Gil-galad against Sauron.... I'm not positive about this, but weren't the Olog-hai created during the Third Age? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."