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Axbolt · 02-12-2017, 01:42 PM

In Desolation of smaug when king Thranduil says "do not speak to me of dragon fire" and the scaring appears on his face as if concealed by magic, what is this meant to signify happened in his past? I know I missed something.

Inziladun · 02-12-2017, 01:46 PM

The last time he got drunk?

Any other guess I cannot hazard, since I haven't seen the movies (of which it seems you're asking).

Andsigil · 02-12-2017, 03:49 PM

That was odd. I always thought elves were immune to scarring.

Galadriel55 · 02-12-2017, 04:41 PM

I never thought Elves wouldn't have scars. I was sure they can. But at the moment I can't think of a single good example either for or against; the best my brain is offering at the moment is a few ideas about the biology of wound healing and tissue regeneration, which I don't want to go into. But hey, the slaves of Thangorodrim (or at least Gwindor) appeared aged, as old Men; and limbs that were chopped off didn't grow themselves back - so eternal youth and beauty aren't always guaranteed.

But back to the question. Although I have watched the 2nd Hobbit movie, I evidently didn't pay enough attention. When was this said? Or even better - can you find a video of that scene?

Zigûr · 02-12-2017, 06:53 PM

I remember this bit but there's no explanation for it in the theatrical release of any of the films.

I have a feeling it might be explained in an extended edition (none of which I've seen for the "Hobbit" films) perhaps with some reference to the Grey Mountains or something.

There is (to the best of my knowledge) nothing in the real story from the books to suggest that Thranduil had ever encountered dragons in his life, although I suppose it's possible.

Inziladun · 02-12-2017, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zigûr

There is (to the best of my knowledge) nothing in the real story from the books to suggest that Thranduil had ever encountered dragons in his life, although I suppose it's possible.

Maybe in one of the First Age battles involving Glaurung?

As has been clearly demonstrated though, movie writers need not stick to the source material for 'inspiration'.

Axbolt · 02-13-2017, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

back to the question. Although I have watched the 2nd Hobbit movie, I evidently didn't pay enough attention. When was this said? Or even better - can you find a video of that scene?

I have found the clip on YouTube:

https://m.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=G...?v=Q69yl9a4QPg

Have never posted a link before so might not work

I have wached the exstended edition and canot find any referance to the death of his wife exsept that she was killed at Angmar

Zigûr · 02-13-2017, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Axbolt

I have wached the exstended edition and canot find any referance to the death of his wife exsept that she was killed at Angmar

It's not based on anything whatsoever in the book either. I think this is something that only exists in the filmmakers' imaginations.

02-12-2017, 01:42 PM	#1
Axbolt Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Mt Gundabad Posts: 23	"Do not speak to me of dragon fire" In Desolation of smaug when king Thranduil says "do not speak to me of dragon fire" and the scaring appears on his face as if concealed by magic, what is this meant to signify happened in his past? I know I missed something. __________________ Orc of Mt Gundabad

02-12-2017, 01:46 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	The last time he got drunk? Any other guess I cannot hazard, since I haven't seen the movies (of which it seems you're asking). __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God. Last edited by Inziladun; 02-12-2017 at 01:52 PM.

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Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	That was odd. I always thought elves were immune to scarring. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-12-2017, 04:41 PM	#4
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,406	I never thought Elves wouldn't have scars. I was sure they can. But at the moment I can't think of a single good example either for or against; the best my brain is offering at the moment is a few ideas about the biology of wound healing and tissue regeneration, which I don't want to go into. But hey, the slaves of Thangorodrim (or at least Gwindor) appeared aged, as old Men; and limbs that were chopped off didn't grow themselves back - so eternal youth and beauty aren't always guaranteed. But back to the question. Although I have watched the 2nd Hobbit movie, I evidently didn't pay enough attention. When was this said? Or even better - can you find a video of that scene? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

02-12-2017, 06:53 PM	#5
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	I remember this bit but there's no explanation for it in the theatrical release of any of the films. I have a feeling it might be explained in an extended edition (none of which I've seen for the "Hobbit" films) perhaps with some reference to the Grey Mountains or something. There is (to the best of my knowledge) nothing in the real story from the books to suggest that Thranduil had ever encountered dragons in his life, although I suppose it's possible. __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer.