Elf Deaths - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Oroaranion · 12-22-2003, 02:53 PM

Is there any way of Elves dying, other than being mortally killed. Because if there isn't, when they have fled to the Undying Lands, what is the point of Elflings, because the race will never become extinct!

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-22-2003, 03:19 PM

Well, I am assuming that is one of the reasons that elves do not reproduce as fast as humans. Not nearly as fast.
However, elves can die of a broken heart.
And how do you define mortally killed? Elves can die in any way humans can other than old age or disease.

Finwe · 12-22-2003, 03:36 PM

The bodies of Elves can be killed just like the bodies of Humans, but they can't die of old age or disease. So they can be killed in battle or die of a broken heart, and can also be killed by violent means such as drowning, asphyxiation, poison, etc.

Phervasaion · 12-22-2003, 04:38 PM

Speaking of Elven deaths, did Arwen kill herself after Aragorn died or did she just die because of his death?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:38 PM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Phervasaion ]

Potatothan · 12-22-2003, 05:35 PM

Nope she didn't. I don't know if you have seen the movie, but she remains alive and doesn't die from a broken heart because of her child. She leaves for Lothlorien afther a while and it is tolled that Aragorn and Arwen meet up again at the end of time and the parting of the world.

Pity Tolkien never wrote a book about that event. I would very much like to read what happens to Melkor A.K.A. Morgoth. Did Tolkien ever wrote a book about that? Because it sounds very fascinating to me. I wonder what happened with middle earth afther Aragorn's passing anyway. It couldn't have always been all mary and gay now could it? There is always a little evil in the world. Or did it went ever happy afther the passing of Sauron?

~Potatothan

Olorin_TLA · 12-22-2003, 06:07 PM

Tolkien said that, eventually, the ruelrs of Godnor would have become beureacrats like Denethor, or worse. :'(

What's the point in Elflings?! Have you no emotions?! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Finwe · 12-22-2003, 08:53 PM

According to the Books, after Aragorn's death, Arwen says goodbye to her children, and then goes to Lothlorien. There, after wandering around a bit, she comes to Cerin Amroth, the hill where she and Aragorn pledged their love to each other, and died (presumably of a broken heart, or just old age, since she was now human). Since she had given up the "Life of the Eldar," she would probably meet Aragorn in the place where the Edain go after death.

Earendilyon · 12-23-2003, 03:59 AM

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I don't know if you have seen the movie, but [Arwen] remains alive and doesn't die from a broken heart because of her child. She leaves for Lothlorien afther a while and it is tolled that Aragorn and Arwen meet up again at the end of time and the parting of the world.

Don't believe what JP tells you I'd say. read the book itself (the Appendix) to learn what JRRT himself told about it.
As I read it, Arwen just gave up her life, like the Numenoreans did in their beginning: the died of their free will.

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-23-2003, 08:14 PM

Even if she was still elven (which she was NOT) I would think she would die of a broken heart. It has happened to other elves on different occasions.

12-22-2003, 02:53 PM	#1
Oroaranion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dol Amroth Posts: 94	Elf Deaths Is there any way of Elves dying, other than being mortally killed. Because if there isn't, when they have fled to the Undying Lands, what is the point of Elflings, because the race will never become extinct! __________________ I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-22-2003, 03:19 PM	#2
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	Well, I am assuming that is one of the reasons that elves do not reproduce as fast as humans. Not nearly as fast. However, elves can die of a broken heart. And how do you define mortally killed? Elves can die in any way humans can other than old age or disease. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-22-2003, 03:36 PM	#3
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	The bodies of Elves can be killed just like the bodies of Humans, but they can't die of old age or disease. So they can be killed in battle or die of a broken heart, and can also be killed by violent means such as drowning, asphyxiation, poison, etc. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

12-22-2003, 04:38 PM	#4
Phervasaion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The wilderness of Middle-Earth Posts: 306	Speaking of Elven deaths, did Arwen kill herself after Aragorn died or did she just die because of his death? <font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:38 PM December 22, 2003: Message edited by: Phervasaion ] __________________ Phervasaion

12-22-2003, 05:35 PM	#5
Potatothan Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Traveling from one warm bed to another Posts: 52	Nope she didn't. I don't know if you have seen the movie, but she remains alive and doesn't die from a broken heart because of her child. She leaves for Lothlorien afther a while and it is tolled that Aragorn and Arwen meet up again at the end of time and the parting of the world. Pity Tolkien never wrote a book about that event. I would very much like to read what happens to Melkor A.K.A. Morgoth. Did Tolkien ever wrote a book about that? Because it sounds very fascinating to me. I wonder what happened with middle earth afther Aragorn's passing anyway. It couldn't have always been all mary and gay now could it? There is always a little evil in the world. Or did it went ever happy afther the passing of Sauron? ~Potatothan __________________ Are we humans or are we called humans?

12-22-2003, 06:07 PM	#6
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Tolkien said that, eventually, the ruelrs of Godnor would have become beureacrats like Denethor, or worse. :'( What's the point in Elflings?! Have you no emotions?! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

12-22-2003, 08:53 PM	#7
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	According to the Books, after Aragorn's death, Arwen says goodbye to her children, and then goes to Lothlorien. There, after wandering around a bit, she comes to Cerin Amroth, the hill where she and Aragorn pledged their love to each other, and died (presumably of a broken heart, or just old age, since she was now human). Since she had given up the "Life of the Eldar," she would probably meet Aragorn in the place where the Edain go after death. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

12-23-2003, 08:14 PM	#9
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	Even if she was still elven (which she was NOT) I would think she would die of a broken heart. It has happened to other elves on different occasions. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!