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05-05-2010, 07:00 PM | #1 |
Pile O'Bones
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ecthelion vs glorfindel
I was reading the Fall of Gondolin the other day and it describes the heroic defenders amazingly. And Ecthelion and Glorfindel are shown as the greatest of the lords at Gondolin and Turgon's favorite captains. My question is who do you think is greater (both in battle and in spirit). They both did deeds that are remembered in song and both are balrog slayers.
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05-05-2010, 10:06 PM | #2 | |
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05-05-2010, 10:57 PM | #3 | |
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It seems to me that the account actually specifies Ecthelion as the greatest warrior of the Noldor, but it has been a very long time since I have read it. Since you (ecthelion) share my interest in Elf lords, you might be interested in the fact that there was a Galdor who dwelt with Cirdan at the Grey Havens, and there was also a mighty Elf lord named Galdor of the Tree in Gondolin at the time of its fall. At the Council of Elrond, the comment was made that "what power still remains [in Middle-earth] lies [...] in Imladris, or with Cirdan at the Havens, or in Lorien." Clearly Cirdan kept company with other mighty Elves. Galdor of the Tree returned? I think Tolkien actually quashes this speculation regarding Galdor in his discussion of Glorfindel's identity, but I prefer to think he is wrong. |
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05-06-2010, 09:09 PM | #4 |
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That was more for his selfless death and saving a marquee character who will eventually save the Eldar and Edain, as well as beget other marquee characters. But strictly speaking, Echthelion taking on Gothmog solo was probably a more heavyweight bout.
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05-07-2010, 08:27 AM | #5 | |
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05-07-2010, 05:43 PM | #6 | |
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05-07-2010, 06:43 PM | #7 |
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I said he may have had to wait, because Tolkien does not mention Ecthelion's receiving the same treatment.
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05-08-2010, 07:20 PM | #8 |
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In regard to ecthelion getting out of the halls of mandos around the same time as glorfindel I think is possible, because you have to remember that ecthelion sacrificed himself to save tuor (who was about to get killed by gothmog). So this selfless act I believe would be a good way to get out of mandos sooner than most.
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05-08-2010, 09:50 PM | #9 |
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Wow. I absolutely love that illustration you posted, Andsigil!
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05-09-2010, 04:59 AM | #10 | |
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Loback has several illustrations at wikipedia under Tolkien-themed subjects: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._by_Tom_Loback and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...m+loback&go=Go You can see more here, at elvish.org http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/tom_loback.htm
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05-23-2010, 05:59 AM | #11 | |
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