"Where is this from?" - Quote-search

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Maybe you know the feeling when you remember almost perfectly clearly some quote from the books, but you just cannot remember where exactly it is from. We have several games in the Quiz Room based upon this idea, but this thread is, I would like to point out, not supposed to serve as "cheating board" for such occasions. Rather, I would like it to become a place where people can ask fellow 'Downers for help in looking for some quote.

This idea came to me after I have been thinking about a particular quote for some time, and yet cannot remember where have I seen it and all the places I have checked seemed to fail me. Being so frustrated, I assumed that some of the 'Downers might know, but I did not feel like starting a thread just because of one quote. So I have decided to make a general "Q&A" thread where people can continue to ask their own questions, if they encounter a similar problem like the one I had.

So, to start - my problem is rather simple. Somewhere, Tolkien says something along the lines that "Middle-Earth was indeed supposed to be a depiction of our own world in some ancient age". If you know what it is and what I mean, could, please, somebody refer to me where this is from? (For that matter, it is enough for me if it is something similar, roughly along these lines, but having the same meaning - I think it's likely that Tolkien said similar thing several times in different places, but I think there is this one which is in some "obvious" place - only I cannot seem to be able to find where.)

Can any fellow 'Downer help me out?

[davem]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So, to start - my problem is rather simple. Somewhere, Tolkien says something along the lines that "Middle-Earth was indeed supposed to be a depiction of our own world in some ancient age". If you know what it is and what I mean, could, please, somebody refer to me where this is from?

Closest I can find is in the BBC interview with Denis Guerolt from 1971:

G: I thought that conceivably Midgard might be Middle-earth or have some connection?

T: Oh yes, they're the same word. Most people have made this mistake of thinking Middle-earth is a particular kind of Earth or is another planet of the science fiction sort but it's just an old fashioned word for this world we live in, as imagined surrounded by the Ocean.

G: It seemed to me that Middle-earth was in a sense as you say this world we live in but at a different era.

T: No ... at a different stage of imagination, yes.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Thanks, davem. I knew somebody will help me Although I am still wondering whether there is some other place still where it was said, as I have the vague recollection of actually reading it and it being stated in some different way (i.e. not as a negative response, like up here). Though, of course, I may be mistaken.

[Eorl of Rohan]

I, too, remember reading about it somewhere but I can't remember where either
I suspect I read it in an introductory essay that precedes one of Tolkien's works... Good luck with finding out where it's from!

[Inziladun]

In answer to your question, Legate, there's also this from Letters:

'Middle-earth', by the way, is not a name of a never-never land without relation to the world we live in....imaginatively this 'history' is supposed to take place in a period of the actual Old World of this planet.

Letter 165

And this:

The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live, but the historical period is imaginary.

Letter 183

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, well, great, that looks nice. I am not 100% sure if these are the things I originally had in mind, but I definitely got in the answers more than I hoped for Thanks to everybody once again... Still, if anybody came up with something more, you can let me know... otherwise, this thread is open for anybody who would feel in similarly dire need as me. (But for the sake of not spamming around and also for honing your own research skills, I suggest you always try to first find it by yourselves! )