Battles - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dior · 03-08-2002, 09:52 AM

Talk about them.

03-10-2002, 06:47 AM

um...great way to start a topic! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] na kidding...um...um..let me see, people fight...people die...

Narya · 03-10-2002, 11:33 AM

to make a start: What´s your "fav" battle?
I mean which battle did you find most excitening and what tales/stories about battles in ME do you like?
I like the part in the book that´s about the Pelennor- Battle, because so many things happen there and so many heroes are born there...
and of course in battles many people are killed and they are really something miserable and bad.. let´s discuss... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Gorin Icearms · 03-10-2002, 12:20 PM

I must agree. A starting place would greatly aid us. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Raefindel · 03-10-2002, 12:20 PM

I agree, Narya. Armies coming in from every direction expected and unexpected. Heros made, Great Men and Terrible Foes Died.

Helm's Deep was too difficult for me to imagine(Geographically).

Fingolas · 03-10-2002, 01:30 PM

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Helm's Deep was too difficult for me to imagine(Geographically).

Raefindel,

Helms Deep is located in the White Mountains (Ered Nimrais), northwest of Edoras. Maybe 20 miles or so southeast of the Gap of Rohan. Pretty much due south of the Fangorn Forest, (Entwood). Hope this helps.
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Narya · 03-10-2002, 02:48 PM

I like Helm´s Deep, too. It took me some time to picture the whole fortrest and the area around it. (If that is what you mean, Raefindel)
And there´s something else to discuss about battles.
When you are on the side of good and a great adventurer, wouldn´t you dislike it if there were no reasons to fight anymore?
If you are a 'good guy' you want that your people are happy and that the evil is defeated. But when it is (for example)a fantasy world soon gets boring, because there are no adventures to make and no quests to accomplish anymore. So battles or fights are what makes a tale interessting and good. Almost every fantasy storý is about the fight between good and evil, but when one side once has destroyed the other there wouldn´t be anything to talk about.
Hope you get what I mean.. Im tiered...

Birdland · 03-10-2002, 04:29 PM

The battle that had the most effect on me in LOTR was Faramir's troops skirmishing against the Southrons, and Sam's reaction to it.

Up until then the hobbits had only seen battles against orcs, wargs and otherworldly creatures, who were killed with no real compunction. Sam's first experience of seeing men fighting men, and his thoughts about the Southron soldier whom he saw fall before him, was a surprising, touching moment. I'm glad Tolkien put that episode in the book.

[ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

Ahanarion · 03-10-2002, 04:37 PM

Okay my favorite war has to be the War of Wrath. My favorite battle would have to be Gandalf fighting the Balrog.

[ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Ahanarion ]

Joy · 03-10-2002, 05:02 PM

I would say Helm's Deep, the battle where Gilmi thinks he's standing by a dead hobbit -wish I could remember where that's at, Sam fist men battle, and the Merry/Eowny/Nazgul batle.

Raefindel · 03-10-2002, 05:09 PM

Exactly, Narya. I've always had trouble imagining the fortress and the land surrounding it. Tolkien doesn't seem to describe it with words undrestandable by a layman. I've never been in a battle and I've never seen a "mountain fortress". Am I the only one here who had trouble with Helm's Deep"? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Mayla Took · 03-10-2002, 05:14 PM

No, Raefindel. I also had trouble imaganing it. I found that my mental imige of Helms Deep was continualy changing!

03-11-2002, 09:49 AM

It's definitely one of the things I'm looking forward to in the next movie. Hordes of Uruk-Hai and Dunlendings crowded around the outer Dike with Aragorn, Eomer, Legolas and Gimli ranging up and down the wall... Aragorn's flight back to the citadel while Gimli and crew retreat to the caves of Aglarond... Aragorn standing on the Dike in the pre-dawn light... Theoden King riding through the gates while the horns blow...

Great stuff!

piosenniel · 03-11-2002, 12:11 PM

Raefindel & Mayla Took:

there is a lovely book - The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad (she is a cartographer who has combed through the Tolkien books and maps for geographic and timeline info) which has maps for all the battles and descriptions of the troop action.

Mayla Took · 03-11-2002, 02:23 PM

Wow, thank you piosenniel! I will keep my eyes open for it!

Raefindel · 03-11-2002, 05:19 PM

Thanks Piosenniel. That should help.

03-11-2002, 05:22 PM

For me, the bests was Helm´s Deep and the last battle of Frodo with Gollum for the one Ring.

Aralaithiel · 03-11-2002, 06:59 PM

Helm's Deep for me, too. I can't wait to see Eowyn kick the Witch-King's butt! I mean chop his head off! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] That, and Legolas shield surfing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Now, to see if the theater will throw me out when I start vociferously cheering and screaming as the good guys kick some butt! I love action movies! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Dior · 03-18-2002, 09:12 PM

The best battle would have to be the Third Battle, or the Glorious Battle, in the war of the jewels. It was the first (and last) battle in which the elves had complete victory, and it resulted in the seige of Agband, which lasted 400 years, and in which Beleriand saw relative peace. Sorry I started the topic off so bad. I thought people would just assume that I was talking about battles in the books.

03-24-2002, 05:15 AM

The Nirnaeth Arnoediad. 'nuff said.

shieldmaiden · 03-24-2002, 10:37 AM

I like when trees come to Helm's Deep and when Legolas and Gimli compete on who is going to kill more Orcs. My favorite scene of them all is when Eowyn and Merry kill the Nazgul captain.

twinkle · 03-24-2002, 01:09 PM

i like the battle of the gladden fields....
but mainly because i had a wonderful storyteller tell it to me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

other than that helm's deep yes....
all other battles i'm not too familiar with yet....but hope to be in due time [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

twinkle

VanimaEdhel · 03-24-2002, 02:43 PM

Heehee: I love it when Legolas and Gimli were competing to see who killed how many orcs too...they'd BETTER have that in the next movie!
Yeah, I've seen that bookAtlas... but I didn't have the money to buy it [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]...I will though, for Birthday/Christmas...something

And, strangely, I can imagine all the battles...too many war movies I guess and too much CNN...Oh well

Nice-Smeagol · 03-28-2002, 04:38 AM

My favourite battle is the final battle of the 2nd Age, the Last Alliance. I like it because it provides an excellent starting point for the Third Age. Everyone thinking evil had been vanquished for ever and all that, how wrong could they be...... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

04-04-2002, 01:15 PM

In my opinion, the greatest battle in all the history of middle earth was when Fingolfin rode to the gates of Angband and challenged Morgoth to direct combat. Fingolfin nearly won the battle, and was the only person ever to challenge morgoth hand to hand. Plus he did all that without the help of the Valar.

Dior · 04-06-2002, 05:56 PM

That wasn't really a battle, but ok.

03-08-2002, 09:52 AM	#1
Dior Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 242	Battles Talk about them. __________________ Goodbye everybody, I've got to go... Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth....

03-10-2002, 11:33 AM	#3
Narya Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: not here... floating down the Liffey Posts: 124	to make a start: What´s your "fav" battle? I mean which battle did you find most excitening and what tales/stories about battles in ME do you like? I like the part in the book that´s about the Pelennor- Battle, because so many things happen there and so many heroes are born there... and of course in battles many people are killed and they are really something miserable and bad.. let´s discuss... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ...for we know the joy of life is the peace* that love can bring* So spoke the wizard in his mountain home.

03-10-2002, 12:20 PM	#4
Gorin Icearms Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 67	I must agree. A starting place would greatly aid us. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ The Moon is Rising! Oh hey, I'm a wight now. WORSHIP ME IN ALL MY WIGHTNESS!!! MUAHAHAHA!!

03-10-2002, 12:20 PM	#5
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	I agree, Narya. Armies coming in from every direction expected and unexpected. Heros made, Great Men and Terrible Foes Died. Helm's Deep was too difficult for me to imagine(Geographically). __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

03-10-2002, 02:48 PM	#7
Narya Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: not here... floating down the Liffey Posts: 124	I like Helm´s Deep, too. It took me some time to picture the whole fortrest and the area around it. (If that is what you mean, Raefindel) And there´s something else to discuss about battles. When you are on the side of good and a great adventurer, wouldn´t you dislike it if there were no reasons to fight anymore? If you are a 'good guy' you want that your people are happy and that the evil is defeated. But when it is (for example)a fantasy world soon gets boring, because there are no adventures to make and no quests to accomplish anymore. So battles or fights are what makes a tale interessting and good. Almost every fantasy storý is about the fight between good and evil, but when one side once has destroyed the other there wouldn´t be anything to talk about. Hope you get what I mean.. Im tiered... __________________ ...for we know the joy of life is the peace* that love can bring* So spoke the wizard in his mountain home.

03-10-2002, 06:47 AM	#2
Talin Guest Posts: n/a	um...great way to start a topic! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] na kidding...um...um..let me see, people fight...people die...

03-10-2002, 04:29 PM	#8
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	The battle that had the most effect on me in LOTR was Faramir's troops skirmishing against the Southrons, and Sam's reaction to it. Up until then the hobbits had only seen battles against orcs, wargs and otherworldly creatures, who were killed with no real compunction. Sam's first experience of seeing men fighting men, and his thoughts about the Southron soldier whom he saw fall before him, was a surprising, touching moment. I'm glad Tolkien put that episode in the book. [ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

03-10-2002, 04:37 PM	#9
Ahanarion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tirion upon Tuna Posts: 94	Okay my favorite war has to be the War of Wrath. My favorite battle would have to be Gandalf fighting the Balrog. [ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Ahanarion ] __________________ Ohtari i Noldor Hosta!

03-10-2002, 05:02 PM	#10
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	I would say Helm's Deep, the battle where Gilmi thinks he's standing by a dead hobbit -wish I could remember where that's at, Sam fist men battle, and the Merry/Eowny/Nazgul batle. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-10-2002, 05:09 PM	#11
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Exactly, Narya. I've always had trouble imagining the fortress and the land surrounding it. Tolkien doesn't seem to describe it with words undrestandable by a layman. I've never been in a battle and I've never seen a "mountain fortress". Am I the only one here who had trouble with Helm's Deep"? [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

03-10-2002, 05:14 PM	#12
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	No, Raefindel. I also had trouble imaganing it. I found that my mental imige of Helms Deep was continualy changing! __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

03-11-2002, 09:49 AM	#13
EonweHeraldofManwe Guest Posts: n/a	It's definitely one of the things I'm looking forward to in the next movie. Hordes of Uruk-Hai and Dunlendings crowded around the outer Dike with Aragorn, Eomer, Legolas and Gimli ranging up and down the wall... Aragorn's flight back to the citadel while Gimli and crew retreat to the caves of Aglarond... Aragorn standing on the Dike in the pre-dawn light... Theoden King riding through the gates while the horns blow... Great stuff!

03-11-2002, 12:11 PM	#14
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Raefindel & Mayla Took: there is a lovely book - The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad (she is a cartographer who has combed through the Tolkien books and maps for geographic and timeline info) which has maps for all the battles and descriptions of the troop action. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

03-11-2002, 02:23 PM	#15
Mayla Took Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 152	Wow, thank you piosenniel! I will keep my eyes open for it! __________________ Good Things Come in Small Packages. (And don't you forget it!) Pippin:"What is that?!?" Merry:"This, my friend, is a pint!" Pippin:"It comes in PINTS?!?....I'm getting one!" "Don't let your heads get too big for your hats! But if you don't finish growing up soon, you are going to find hats and clothes expensive." Bilbo to Merry and Pippin "Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!" Gandalf to Pippin in Moria E-mail me at mailto:ThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.comThirdAgeHobbit@hotmail.com</A> Oh, and please rate me. THANKS!

03-11-2002, 05:19 PM	#16
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	Thanks Piosenniel. That should help. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

03-11-2002, 05:22 PM	#17
Rohirrim Guest Posts: n/a	For me, the bests was Helm´s Deep and the last battle of Frodo with Gollum for the one Ring.

03-11-2002, 06:59 PM	#18
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	Helm's Deep for me, too. I can't wait to see Eowyn kick the Witch-King's butt! I mean chop his head off! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] That, and Legolas shield surfing! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Now, to see if the theater will throw me out when I start vociferously cheering and screaming as the good guys kick some butt! I love action movies! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

03-18-2002, 09:12 PM	#19
Dior Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 242	The best battle would have to be the Third Battle, or the Glorious Battle, in the war of the jewels. It was the first (and last) battle in which the elves had complete victory, and it resulted in the seige of Agband, which lasted 400 years, and in which Beleriand saw relative peace. Sorry I started the topic off so bad. I thought people would just assume that I was talking about battles in the books. __________________ Goodbye everybody, I've got to go... Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth....

03-24-2002, 05:15 AM	#20
ongivan Guest Posts: n/a	The Nirnaeth Arnoediad. 'nuff said.

03-24-2002, 10:37 AM	#21
shieldmaiden Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: oblivion Posts: 103	I like when trees come to Helm's Deep and when Legolas and Gimli compete on who is going to kill more Orcs. My favorite scene of them all is when Eowyn and Merry kill the Nazgul captain. __________________ Huonya harya vanyë heni yassen sila i eleni! :)

03-24-2002, 01:09 PM	#22
twinkle Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: my little blooming garden Posts: 45	i like the battle of the gladden fields.... but mainly because i had a wonderful storyteller tell it to me [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] other than that helm's deep yes.... all other battles i'm not too familiar with yet....but hope to be in due time [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] twinkle __________________ “For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomable at the foundations of the Earth.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion

03-24-2002, 02:43 PM	#23
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	Heehee: I love it when Legolas and Gimli were competing to see who killed how many orcs too...they'd BETTER have that in the next movie! Yeah, I've seen that bookAtlas... but I didn't have the money to buy it [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]...I will though, for Birthday/Christmas...something And, strangely, I can imagine all the battles...too many war movies I guess and too much CNN...Oh well __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

03-28-2002, 04:38 AM	#24
Nice-Smeagol Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Somewhere under the Misty Mountains Posts: 48	My favourite battle is the final battle of the 2nd Age, the Last Alliance. I like it because it provides an excellent starting point for the Third Age. Everyone thinking evil had been vanquished for ever and all that, how wrong could they be...... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Wicked Masster Cheatss Us!Cheatss Smeagol, gollum. He mussn't go that way, mussn't hurt Preciouss. Give it to Smeagol, yess, give it to uss. GIVE IT TO USSSSS.... I'm evil I know, but hey, who's gonna stop me! Bwahahahahahahaha!

04-04-2002, 01:15 PM	#25
Feanor_of_the_Noldor Guest Posts: n/a	In my opinion, the greatest battle in all the history of middle earth was when Fingolfin rode to the gates of Angband and challenged Morgoth to direct combat. Fingolfin nearly won the battle, and was the only person ever to challenge morgoth hand to hand. Plus he did all that without the help of the Valar.

04-06-2002, 05:56 PM	#26
Dior Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 242	That wasn't really a battle, but ok. __________________ Goodbye everybody, I've got to go... Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth....