The neglected race- The Drúedain

[Eönwë]

I have always thought that the Púkel-men (Drúedain) have been neglected by many people studying the work of Tolkien, and especially on forums such as these. I have always been fascinated by them (being my favourite race in ME), but I want to know what you thnk of them.


A summary of The Drúedain in UT:

Basic summary:

Originally Posted by UT, The Drúedain

There were not many, a few hundreds maybe, living apart in families or small tribes, but in friendship, as members of the same community [of the folk of Haleth, who] who called them by the name drûg, that being a word of their own language

Their looks, voice and nature:

Originally Posted by UT, the Drúedain

To the eyes of Elves and other Men they were unlovely in looks: they were stumpy (some four foot high) but very broad, with heavy buttocks and short thick legs; their wide faces had deep-set eyes with heavy brows, and flat noses, and grew no hair below their eyebrows, except in a few men (who were proud of the distinction) a small tail of black hair in the midst of the chin. Their features were usually impassive, the most mobile being their wide mouths; and the movement of their wary eyes could not be observed save from close at hand, for they were so black that the pupils could not be distinguished, but in anger they glowed red. Their voices were deep and guttural, but their laughter was a surprise: it was rich and rolling, and set all who heard it, Elves or Men, laughing too for its pure merriment untainted by scorn or malice.' In peace they often laughed at work or play when other Men might sing. But they could be relentless enemies, and when once aroused their red wrath was slow to cool, though it showed no sign save the light in their eyes; for they fought in silence and did not exult in victory, not even over Orcs, the only creatures for whom their hatred was implacable

Originally Posted by UT, the Drúedain, CT's comments

My father was at pains to emphasize the radical difference between the Drúedain and the Hobbits. They were of quite different physical shape and appearance. The Drúedain were taller, and of heavier and stronger build... They were moreover a frugal people, eating sparingly even in times of plenty and drinking nothing but water. In some ways they resembled rather the Dwarves: in build and stature and endurance; in their skill in carving stone; in the grim side of their character; and in their strange powers. But the 'magic' skills with which the Dwarves were credited were quite different; and the Dwarves were far grimmer, and also long-lived, whereas the Drúedain were short-lived compared with other kinds of Men...

Their skills:

Originally Posted by UT, the Drúedain

They had a marvellous skill as trackers of all living creatures, and … for the Drúedain used their scent, like hounds save that they were also keen-eyed. ... Their knowledge of all growing things was almost equal to that of the Elves … and it is said that if they removed to a new country they knew within a short time all things that grew there, great or minute, and gave names to those that were new to them, discerning those that were poisonous, or useful as food...

In the far distant past they appear already to have had small tools of flint for scraping and cutting, and these they still used, ... But when in Beleriand by association with the Eldar and in traffic with the Dwarves of Ered Lindon [metals] became more common, the Drúedain showed great talent for carving in wood or stone. They already had a knowledge of pigments, derived chiefly from plants, and they drew pictures and patterns on wood or flat surfaces of stone; and sometimes they would scrape knobs of wood into faces that could be painted. But with sharper and stronger tools they delighted in carving figures of men and beasts, whether toys and ornaments or large images, to which the most skilled among them could give vivid semblance of life...

But among the powers of this strange people perhaps most to be remarked was their capacity of utter silence and stillness, which they could at times endure for many days on end, sitting with their legs crossed, their hands upon their knees or in their laps, and their eyes closed or looking at the ground.
It is said that the Drúedain would often sit thus in times of grief or loss, but sometimes for pleasure in thought, or in the making of plans. But they could also use this stillness when on guard; and then they would sit or stand, hidden in shadow, and though their eyes might seem closed or staring with a blank gaze nothing passed or came near that was not marked and remembered. So intense was their unseen vigilance that it could be felt as a hostile menace by intruders, who retreated in fear before any warning was given; but if any evil thing passed on, then they would utter as a signal a shrill whistle, painful to endure close at hand and heard far off...

Indeed, though they held the Drúedain in love and trust, many of the Folk of Haleth believed that they possessed uncanny and magical powers; and among their tales of marvels there were several that told of such things...

I know this thread is a bit useless, but I just want to know what other people think of the Drúedain, and what your thoughts are on their moral side.

edit: I might get some more info another time

[Eönwë]

MatthewM, sorry, I should have found this sooner, but the point still remains.

[The Might]

Yes, I also enjoy the stories, especially the Faithful Stone and I guess alongside Woodmen, Beornings and other secretive people they are my favourites as well.

Still, I am not sure if that is entirely legal, copying such a lard part of a copyrighted document I mean.
Think that might already be a bit too big to be seen as a quotation.
Still, I have nothing against this and it is a good read for anyone that does not own the UT.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by The Might

Still, I am not sure if that is entirely legal, copying such a lard part of a copyrighted document I mean.
Think that might already be a bit too big to be seen as a quotation.
Still, I have nothing against this and it is a good read for anyone that does not own the UT.

I was wandering this. I will take it down if I find out it is actually illegal. I was just trying to illustrate the point that that is all that there is on the Druedain.


edit: I just looked and it says on the front

Originally Posted by inside cover of the UT

Apart from any fair dealing for the puropse of private study, research, criticism or review, as permitted under the Copyright Act 1956 no part of thos publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by ay means, electronic, electrical, chemical, mechanical, optical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permisssion of the copyright owner.

Ok, so I'm not sure exacty what that means, but if anyone is certain, I would like to find out. If anyone has any complaints I will remove the quote.


EDIT 2: OK, I don't care if it is legal or not, It is coming off in 2 days, so take your opputunity now to read it.


Edit3: Lard?

Edit 4: Ok, I cut it down, is that ok?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Normally, copyright laws allow pertinent quotes if they are not too long, but not entire articles such as the above. I am sure Downs members who do not own the books have the possibility of checking them out at the library, so I would ask you to summarize the chapter in your own words, or to quote only a few of the most important lines. That puts you - and the Downs forum! - on the safe side of the law. Thanks!

[The Might]

Yes, I believe that your edits now are ok.

Btw, a second ago I just had a thought.
I would like to discuss with you the way the Druedain are capable of transfering a part of their power to such stones as in the story of Aghan?
If I think about the essay Osanwe-kenta by Pengolodh I'd have to say it seems magical but probably has something to do with a special ability of the Druedain to somehow split a part of their soul and put it in a certain object.
How this exactly should work I have no idea and this is why I am asking for your opinion.

[Eönwë]

An interesting question I just though of is... Does size matter in Druedain statues?

What I mean is, is a Watchstone that is 5cm tall as strong as one that is 10m tall? Because they don't work like normal beings. I don't think they are fully sentient, as they don't live independently (Aghan gets burns where the Pukel got burned), and they are not actually alive. It also became alive because, as Aghan says "If some power passes from you to a thing that you have made, then you must take a share in its hurts" which is why Aghan got burnt. This states also probably means that Watchstone became alive because some power passed from Aghan into it which means that it is not a lifeform in itself.
But if they are just helda alive by the power of their maker does this mean they all have the same strength? Because a PUkel can have only a certain amount of strenghth. Would they need to put the same amount of power in to make it sentient? I'm sure you can imagine a 10m tall Watchstone lifting up something like an elephant (not an Oliphaunt, becasue I doubt that even one of the Argonath could lift one of those), but if it could, would it also mean that the 5cm one could too? Just a question, which I hope you experts who know all about incarnations and such can answer.

[The Might]

I doubt Tolkien ever bothered to think about that...but if if this a truly crazy question I'll try to answer.

In note 11 to this chapter, Tolkien remarks:

The tales, such as The Faithful Stone, that speak of their transferring part of their 'powers' to their artefacts, remind one in miniature of Sauron's transference of power to the foundations of the Barad-dûr and to the Ruling Ring

As such, I believe that we should compare the watch-stone to the One Ring so as to get a better idea of how things worked.
Now surely, a drûg could only create a certain number of watch-stones, since he did not have limitless power. Same goes with Sauron. This is why he couldn't create any other Ruling Ring, there was not enough power left all in all.
And so I also expect that the strength of a watchstone would depend on how much power wa given to it and just like that that for a larger stone more power was needed, this seems rather normal.
However, I have no idea about watch-stones of different sizes having the same strength when given the same power and I do nto wish to speculate on it because I find this is a bit too far off from Tolkien's world.

[Eönwë]

But I don't think Sauron had the same sort of control over the ring as the Druedain had over their watch-stones, did he?
He never made it get up and kill the fellowship.

[Eönwë]

What do people think about their contact with the Dwarves and Eldar? Was it equal ended or was it just them giving help to the less advanced Drúedain?

And how about their fighting? What sort of weapons do you think they use? Have they discovered the wonders of martial arts? (they seem to me like the sort of people who would)

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I have always thought that the Púkel-men (Drúedain) have been neglected by many people studying the work of Tolkien, and especially on forums such as these. I have always been fascinated by them (being my favourite race in ME), but I want to know what you thnk of them.

The comedian Denis Leary had a routine where he'd discuss the animals worth saving from extinction, like otters and baby seals and dolphins...you know, all the cute ones. But a cow? Grind it up and grill it, baby, I'm hungry! A pig? We're having sausage for breakfast!

The Drúedain are like that. Ummm...sort of.