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zxcvbn · 01-04-2008, 11:44 AM

Sauron used the Great Rings to enslave nine Kings of Men who later became his greatest servants, the Nazgul. Now, the question is, seeing how the nazgul were far deadlier and more loyal than any living servants, why didn't Sauron forge more Great Rings to distribute to his many human servants? This way he could have had hundreds of Nazgul at his command.

No, I'm not joking. What are your opinions?

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 01-04-2008, 11:57 AM

Zxcvbn, Sauron helped in making 20 rings 19 of those were not the Master Ring. So he thought that he would have 19 wraiths, not just nine. Besides, it probably took a lot of power making those anyway.

The Might · 01-04-2008, 01:02 PM

I don't think he could make such rings by himself. Think about it, if he had the possibility to make such things then he could have created hundreds, thousands even. But he needed the smiths of Eregion to make them for him.

Indeed he made the One, but the One is totally different from the others, it is the Ring that controls all the others.
And when he told the Elves to make them he probably thought that this quantity would be enough for him to enslave all the free people of M-e.

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For in that time he was not yet evil to behold, and they received his aid and grew mighty in craft, whereas he learned all their secrets, and betrayed them, and forged secretly in the Mountain of Fire the One Ring to be their master.

So clearly he did learn some things from the Elves of Eregion.

Or maybe he simply was not able to control more with the One Ring...although I don't think this is stated anywhere.

William Cloud Hicklin · 01-04-2008, 01:28 PM

Modest correction: Sauron had no role at all in the making of the Three. And his plan was to have Dwarf-wraiths as well, presumably the kings of each Folk; but he erred, since although Dwarves are 'mortal' they just don't do the wraith thing.

Lord Halsar · 01-04-2008, 05:57 PM

Indeed. And this topic has come up in another thread.
"A 10th Nazgul?" was the name I believe. An interesting thread that I had my part in.

Groin Redbeard · 01-05-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

Zxcvbn, Sauron helped in making 20 rings 19 of those were not the Master Ring. So he thought that he would have 19 wraiths, not just nine. Besides, it probably took a lot of power making those anyway.

Correct Elven Warrior! Sauron mingled his blood and soul into the one Ring; it is quite possible he did the same, to a lesser degree, with the others.

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Modest correction: Sauron had no role at all in the making of the Three. And his plan was to have Dwarf-wraiths as well, presumably the kings of each Folk; but he erred, since although Dwarves are 'mortal' they just don't do the wraith thing.

Hehe, good ol' dwarves!

Gwathagor · 01-05-2008, 10:43 PM

First, I agree that making Rings of Power was probably a lot of work. Not sometihng you do for fun.

Second, you can't just go around handing out rings to everyone. It reduces the coolness of having one, because it's no longer an exclusive club.

Third, it's easier for Sauron to control the races of Middle-earth through a few powerful subordinates who will theoretically (didn't work out, of course) do your bidding to the letter. It's less management for the big man. Delegation is an essential leadership quality.

zxcvbn · 01-06-2008, 09:20 AM

With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

William Cloud Hicklin · 01-06-2008, 10:19 AM

Remember Feanor, and Yavanna? In the Tolkienverse some Great Works can only be made once, and never repeated. If Sauron were capable of making another Ring surely he would have made another One, first off!

Gwathagor · 01-06-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

I think not. The power of the Nazgul was fear, and if EVERYBODY is a nazgul, then they aren't scary anymore. Giving rings to that many people would also involve diminishing the power of each, as power can't just be created. It has to come from somewhere, in this case out of the ringmaker. Like a physics equation.

01-04-2008, 11:44 AM	#1
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	Foolish Sauron... Sauron used the Great Rings to enslave nine Kings of Men who later became his greatest servants, the Nazgul. Now, the question is, seeing how the nazgul were far deadlier and more loyal than any living servants, why didn't Sauron forge more Great Rings to distribute to his many human servants? This way he could have had hundreds of Nazgul at his command. No, I'm not joking. What are your opinions?

01-04-2008, 11:57 AM	#2
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Zxcvbn, Sauron helped in making 20 rings 19 of those were not the Master Ring. So he thought that he would have 19 wraiths, not just nine. Besides, it probably took a lot of power making those anyway. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

01-04-2008, 01:28 PM	#4
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	Modest correction: Sauron had no role at all in the making of the Three. And his plan was to have Dwarf-wraiths as well, presumably the kings of each Folk; but he erred, since although Dwarves are 'mortal' they just don't do the wraith thing. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

01-04-2008, 05:57 PM	#5
Lord Halsar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 'Round the corner, down the well, passed the Balrog, straight to HELL! Posts: 77	Indeed. And this topic has come up in another thread. "A 10th Nazgul?" was the name I believe. An interesting thread that I had my part in. __________________ My time is at an end, for I have walked from Valinor to the Far-east where men have not gone for millennia. Demons have fallen before me. And now... I must rest...

01-05-2008, 10:43 PM	#7
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	First, I agree that making Rings of Power was probably a lot of work. Not sometihng you do for fun. Second, you can't just go around handing out rings to everyone. It reduces the coolness of having one, because it's no longer an exclusive club. Third, it's easier for Sauron to control the races of Middle-earth through a few powerful subordinates who will theoretically (didn't work out, of course) do your bidding to the letter. It's less management for the big man. Delegation is an essential leadership quality. __________________ Stories and songs.

01-06-2008, 09:20 AM	#8
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

01-06-2008, 10:19 AM	#9
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	Remember Feanor, and Yavanna? In the Tolkienverse some Great Works can only be made once, and never repeated. If Sauron were capable of making another Ring surely he would have made another One, first off! __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.