Which Female Valar is your favorite? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 11-20-2007, 07:10 PM

Sorry for the inconvenience, I am hoping to have this one closed very soon.

Since there are so many Valar, it is necessary to separate them out in some way, so I have chosen to do so by gender and primacy. Please see the "brother thread" to this one for primary Male Valar. Perhaps I will do a poll thread on the Ainur soon.

Feel free to describe what it is that you like about your favorite Vala, and if possible, what characteristics you feel you share with him.

Sorry, you must pick one Vala for the poll. But feel free to name close seconds and thirds, etc.

Bêthberry · 11-20-2007, 10:36 PM

Nienna, because of her influence on Gandalf, er, Olorin.

Of course, you realise that splitting up the polls this way avoids going mano e hot tamale.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-21-2007, 03:19 AM

But elempi, where have Vairë and Vána gone? Your poll is incomplete! What kind of a discrimination is that?

And whether I am not as sure with Valier as with Valar, Vána was among the possibilities of my choices, so...!!!

Otherwise I am thinking about Estë, also Yavanna because of the trees (with small "t"), Varda because of the stars, but I am not as close to them in other things.

Macalaure · 11-21-2007, 04:31 AM

I have to second Legate, where are Vairë and Vána?

I would choose Vairë because I somehow like that kind of melancholic air around her - weaving a tapestry of the history of Arda within the Halls of Mandos.

I might pick Niënna in her absence, but she takes melancholy a little too far.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-21-2007, 07:11 AM

So see it, elempi? And I don't want to imagine what feminists could make out of it. Why are you not mentioning all the Valier when you are mentioning all the Valar, even Tulkas who was not there originally, or Melkor, who did no longer count among them? Tsk-tsk. And now even Mac wants Vairë and I want Vána. I'm going to neg-rep you, sir!!! You call yourself a Tolkien fan?

Thinlómien · 11-21-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So see it, elempi? And I don't want to imagine what feminists could make out of it.

Here's one feminist... but unlike some gentlemen here, I'm not going to make anything special out of it

, just politely echo the posed question of why are a few of the Valier missing.

I think that whatever LMP means by "primacy" here

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Originally Posted by LMP

Since there are so many Valar, it is necessary to separate them out in some way, so I have chosen to do so by gender and primacy

might have something to do with some people being dropped out, yet I would still like to ask why, and why just Vairë and Vána? Are you going to make a separate poll: which lesser Valie do you prefer, Vairë or Vána?

Or what exactly had you in mind and what is this stuff about primacy?

Lindale · 11-22-2007, 01:34 AM

Yavanna. Earth Queen thingy. I'm not very surprised that Tolkien made her second to Varda, but I sometimes wonder why the Elves do not revere her the same way the ancients revered their earth goddesses. Maybe because the Elves are immortal?

littlemanpoet · 11-22-2007, 11:16 AM

Bethberry's reassurances notwithstanding, I'm going to start a brand new poll on the Female Valar, including the two I left out originally, Vána and Vairë. I'll ask Estelyn or whoever is moderator for this thread to close it. Sorry for the mess, but please let's start over. Thanks!

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-22-2007, 01:13 PM

Closed - for those who posted here, I'll leave the thread visible for a few days before deleting it, so that you can repost on the new thread.

View Poll Results: Which Female Valar is your favorite?
Varda	4	33.33%
Yavanna	5	41.67%
Nienna	3	25.00%
Estë	0	0%
Nessa	0	0%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

11-20-2007, 07:10 PM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Please Do Not Use This Thread Which Has Been Replaced By A More Complete One. Sorry for the inconvenience, I am hoping to have this one closed very soon. Since there are so many Valar, it is necessary to separate them out in some way, so I have chosen to do so by gender and primacy. Please see the "brother thread" to this one for primary Male Valar. Perhaps I will do a poll thread on the Ainur soon. Feel free to describe what it is that you like about your favorite Vala, and if possible, what characteristics you feel you share with him. Sorry, you must pick one Vala for the poll. But feel free to name close seconds and thirds, etc. Last edited by littlemanpoet; 11-22-2007 at 11:18 AM.

11-20-2007, 10:36 PM	#2
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	Nienna, because of her influence on Gandalf, er, Olorin. Of course, you realise that splitting up the polls this way avoids going mano e hot tamale. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

11-21-2007, 03:19 AM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	But elempi, where have Vairë and Vána gone? Your poll is incomplete! What kind of a discrimination is that? And whether I am not as sure with Valier as with Valar, Vána was among the possibilities of my choices, so...!!! Otherwise I am thinking about Estë, also Yavanna because of the trees (with small "t"), Varda because of the stars, but I am not as close to them in other things. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-21-2007, 07:11 AM	#5
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	So see it, elempi? And I don't want to imagine what feminists could make out of it. Why are you not mentioning all the Valier when you are mentioning all the Valar, even Tulkas who was not there originally, or Melkor, who did no longer count among them? Tsk-tsk. And now even Mac wants Vairë and I want Vána. I'm going to neg-rep you, sir!!! You call yourself a Tolkien fan? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-21-2007, 04:31 AM	#4
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I have to second Legate, where are Vairë and Vána? I would choose Vairë because I somehow like that kind of melancholic air around her - weaving a tapestry of the history of Arda within the Halls of Mandos. I might pick Niënna in her absence, but she takes melancholy a little too far.

11-22-2007, 01:34 AM	#7
Lindale Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: midway upon... in a forest dark Posts: 975	Yavanna. Earth Queen thingy. I'm not very surprised that Tolkien made her second to Varda, but I sometimes wonder why the Elves do not revere her the same way the ancients revered their earth goddesses. Maybe because the Elves are immortal? __________________ The heart does things for reasons Reason itself cannot comprehend. - Blaise Pascal Legal Madness.

11-22-2007, 11:16 AM	#8
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Bethberry's reassurances notwithstanding, I'm going to start a brand new poll on the Female Valar, including the two I left out originally, Vána and Vairë. I'll ask Estelyn or whoever is moderator for this thread to close it. Sorry for the mess, but please let's start over. Thanks!

11-22-2007, 01:13 PM	#9
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Closed - for those who posted here, I'll leave the thread visible for a few days before deleting it, so that you can repost on the new thread. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'