Glorfindel is a girl?! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Hammerhand · 08-02-2007, 04:42 PM

I remember watching the FotR for the first time and one of the first things that rattled my cage was the substitute of Arwen for Glorfindel - utter madness. Why Arwen? more to the point, why not Glorfindel.

I'd read all about Glorfindel and his achievements in battle (especially with the Witch King) and the rumour about him being the Glorfindel reincarnate of Glorfindel of Gondolin. Basically, i was really looking forward to PJ's interpretation of this "hero" but it was totally discarded, and i mourned.

What do you chaps think? Share my view? Think it was a smart move?

The Might · 08-03-2007, 03:18 AM

Well, probably since Glorfindel doesn't do much else in the book, PJ thought he might present Arwen as the warrior princess. Remember she not only steal Glorfindel's part, but also Elrond and Gandalf's by making the Bruinen grow and hit the Nazgul.
Arwen's part definitely became more significant this way, especially also keep in mind in the movies she is the one without M-e would have been taken by Sauron, since without the sword (which in the movie is only made at Arwen's request) Aragorn couldn't summon the Dead, and all that stuff.

Elladan and Elrohir · 08-03-2007, 10:49 AM

Basically, the filmmakers didn't think it was worth it to introduce a minor character who is afterwards never heard from again, when they could instead enhance the character of Arwen and strengthen Aragorn's story arc. I would have loved to see Glorfindel, but I agree with the decision.

Hammerhand · 08-03-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Elladan and Elrohir

Basically, the filmmakers didn't think it was worth it to introduce a minor character who is afterwards never heard from again, when they could instead enhance the character of Arwen and strengthen Aragorn's story arc. I would have loved to see Glorfindel, but I agree with the decision.

I see the chaps in your name were also left out :P

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Originally Posted by The Might

Well, probably since Glorfindel doesn't do much else in the book, PJ thought he might present Arwen as the warrior princess. Remember she not only steal Glorfindel's part, but also Elrond and Gandalf's by making the Bruinen grow and hit the Nazgul.

I could be mistaken, but i believe that she was only summoning the power of the Elves to manipulate the river. I seem to remember Gandalf claiming that the foaming white horses were of his design, which i believe ties somewhat with the book. Howeber, i'm still ****ed that they left the Golden one out. Do you guys reckon he was the reincarnate of Glorfindel of Gondolin?

Elmo · 08-03-2007, 03:16 PM

Why bother answer when you can link, I think this does answer your last question rather well.http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_glorfindel.php. As for your first question, I don't mind the deletion probably because I have a liking for Liv Tyler

Elfchick7 · 08-04-2007, 06:12 AM

Although I missed seeing Glorifindel, I felt that it was a smart move on PJ's part. It's death on film to introduce cool characters and then never develop them. Besides, I didn't feel as if that seen changed Arwen's character as much as focused on it more.

It didn't really make a warrior as much as a fast rider. After all, she didn't fight in that seen, she just brought out the sword to lure the Nazgul into the river.

08-02-2007, 04:42 PM	#1
Hammerhand Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dark side of the moon. Posts: 81	Glorfindel is a girl?! I remember watching the FotR for the first time and one of the first things that rattled my cage was the substitute of Arwen for Glorfindel - utter madness. Why Arwen? more to the point, why not Glorfindel. I'd read all about Glorfindel and his achievements in battle (especially with the Witch King) and the rumour about him being the Glorfindel reincarnate of Glorfindel of Gondolin. Basically, i was really looking forward to PJ's interpretation of this "hero" but it was totally discarded, and i mourned. What do you chaps think? Share my view? Think it was a smart move? __________________ A great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar.

08-03-2007, 03:18 AM	#2
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, probably since Glorfindel doesn't do much else in the book, PJ thought he might present Arwen as the warrior princess. Remember she not only steal Glorfindel's part, but also Elrond and Gandalf's by making the Bruinen grow and hit the Nazgul. Arwen's part definitely became more significant this way, especially also keep in mind in the movies she is the one without M-e would have been taken by Sauron, since without the sword (which in the movie is only made at Arwen's request) Aragorn couldn't summon the Dead, and all that stuff. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-03-2007, 10:49 AM	#3
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	Basically, the filmmakers didn't think it was worth it to introduce a minor character who is afterwards never heard from again, when they could instead enhance the character of Arwen and strengthen Aragorn's story arc. I would have loved to see Glorfindel, but I agree with the decision. __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

08-03-2007, 03:16 PM	#5
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Why bother answer when you can link, I think this does answer your last question rather well.http://www.barrowdowns.com/faq_glorfindel.php. As for your first question, I don't mind the deletion probably because I have a liking for Liv Tyler __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

08-04-2007, 06:12 AM	#6
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	Although I missed seeing Glorifindel, I felt that it was a smart move on PJ's part. It's death on film to introduce cool characters and then never develop them. Besides, I didn't feel as if that seen changed Arwen's character as much as focused on it more. It didn't really make a warrior as much as a fast rider. After all, she didn't fight in that seen, she just brought out the sword to lure the Nazgul into the river. __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"