Denethor's plunge - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MatthewM · 02-10-2007, 10:19 PM

Does anybody else find it to be a little bit of a stretch that Denethor would actually be able to run out of his pyre ablaze and just hop right off the edge of the Seventh level? I just realized the distance that it showed he ran while fully ablaze. Haha...I never liked how they made him do that.

The Might · 02-11-2007, 01:17 PM

I dunno what is worse - that he made it so far, or that he doesn't burn himself in the Hallows
Of course it's a spectacular image to see him falling down from the Seventh Level while Minas Tirith is under siege.

Knight of Gondor · 02-11-2007, 03:21 PM

Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest changes that PJ made. You make a good point about distance, too. From the Silent Street all the way to the end of the high point was probably a distance of about 1/4 mile. All while on fire. I suppose one might use the hardiness of a pure Numenorian as an excuse, but that would be stretching it.

ninja91 · 02-12-2007, 06:21 AM

If Boromir can kill 10 orcs with 3 arrows stuck in his chest, then why cant Denethor run a half mile completely engulfed in flames?

Sir Kohran · 02-12-2007, 10:03 AM

Also, remember that it was only his robes that were on fire to begin with.

And PJ admits it's a rather implausible ending for him but that the final image is a powerful one (I would agree with that).

MatthewM · 02-12-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja91

If Boromir can kill 10 orcs with 3 arrows stuck in his chest, then why cant Denethor run a half mile completely engulfed in flames?

'Cause Boromir is the man. Enough said! Denethor's a great guy too...but hey, it just doesn't seem possible that a man can run so far fully ablaze.

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Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

Also, remember that it was only his robes that were on fire to begin with.

And PJ admits it's a rather implausible ending for him but that the final image is a powerful one (I would agree with that).

I gotta disagree. If you're wearing a robe, and it gets set ablaze, you're going to burn with it. It's not like the flames say "oh let's just chill on this guy's robe"

Everyone see's the scene differently, but for me it was just wasn't necessary. To be honest, since PJ kind of made Denethor some what of a "bad guy", when I first saw the scene in theatres I thought he put it there for comic relief. Now THAT's bad!

Celegost · 03-14-2007, 01:41 PM

He ran from the fifth level.....all the way up to the seventh level....on fire

what the............?

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-05-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewM

'Cause Boromir is the man. Enough said! Denethor's a great guy too...but hey, it just doesn't seem possible that a man can run so far fully ablaze.

Everyone see's the scene differently, but for me it was just wasn't necessary. To be honest, since PJ kind of made Denethor some what of a "bad guy", when I first saw the scene in theatres I thought he put it there for comic relief. Now THAT's bad!

I gotta agree cause Denethor wasn't bad he was just slightly cracked, and wouldn't you be too if you just found out that your favourate son had just died, AND your country is being over taken by the dark lord?

Galadriel · 01-12-2011, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ninja91

If Boromir can kill 10 orcs with 3 arrows stuck in his chest, then why cant Denethor run a half mile completely engulfed in flames?

Possibly because the flames burned his eyes and roasted his legs?

02-10-2007, 10:19 PM	#1
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Denethor's plunge Does anybody else find it to be a little bit of a stretch that Denethor would actually be able to run out of his pyre ablaze and just hop right off the edge of the Seventh level? I just realized the distance that it showed he ran while fully ablaze. Haha...I never liked how they made him do that. __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

02-11-2007, 01:17 PM	#2
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I dunno what is worse - that he made it so far, or that he doesn't burn himself in the Hallows Of course it's a spectacular image to see him falling down from the Seventh Level while Minas Tirith is under siege. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

02-11-2007, 03:21 PM	#3
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest changes that PJ made. You make a good point about distance, too. From the Silent Street all the way to the end of the high point was probably a distance of about 1/4 mile. All while on fire. I suppose one might use the hardiness of a pure Numenorian as an excuse, but that would be stretching it. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

02-12-2007, 10:03 AM	#5
Sir Kohran Wight Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK Posts: 178	Also, remember that it was only his robes that were on fire to begin with. And PJ admits it's a rather implausible ending for him but that the final image is a powerful one (I would agree with that). __________________ 'Dangerous!' cried Gandalf. 'And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.'

03-14-2007, 01:41 PM	#7
Celegost Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 23	He ran from the fifth level.....all the way up to the seventh level....on fire what the............?