Helm's Deep Query - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elmo · 01-29-2007, 02:50 PM

In the film why did Aragorn not let the archers fire as soon as they got in range and why did he let the orcs do that menacing stampy thing? Less of them wouuld have got to the walls if he had started killing them as soon as possible

01-29-2007, 04:33 PM

I agree, in all strategy type games that I have played I relish the chance to use archers asap to reduce the enemy before contact. Perhaps the Aragon had an inflated opinion of how good his elvish archer allies would be.....?

The Might · 01-29-2007, 04:53 PM

One explanation is that if the range was too big the archers would probably not hit anything. As is said by Gimli in the movie the Uruks had good armour, so it would make sense for Aragorn to want them to wait and shoot only when the Orcs are closer. Not enough arrows could also be a reason...however all in all it does make pretty little sense to me that he made them wait

FeRaL sHaDoW · 01-29-2007, 06:48 PM

how many arrows would the achers have each? at closer range the arrows would have more of an impact and they would waste less.

ninja91 · 01-29-2007, 06:49 PM

And I dont recall Aragorn expecting the Uruks to blow the heck out the wall with a bomb. I think he was pretty confident that until the Uruks charged closer, it was safe to let them waste energy...

FeRaL sHaDoW · 01-29-2007, 07:03 PM

yes that bomb really messed things up.

Elmo · 01-30-2007, 01:36 AM

Didn't one of those old guys shoot an orc and he was practically admonished!

02-12-2007, 03:03 PM

Very interesting comments regarding Elves. Never really looked at it in that way before. Still, taking the thought further and expanding, does that mean that all non human races are of such ilk, in their own unique ways, and it is only men who move toward the future. If it does its a neat way of arriving at why there are no elves et al around today. Or am I now mixing reality with fantasy...... and if so, is that a bad thing?

Elmo · 02-13-2007, 07:51 AM

Well Middle Earth is supposed to be the real earth so that might have been Tolkien's thinking

01-29-2007, 02:50 PM	#1
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Helm's Deep Query In the film why did Aragorn not let the archers fire as soon as they got in range and why did he let the orcs do that menacing stampy thing? Less of them wouuld have got to the walls if he had started killing them as soon as possible __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by hewhoarisesinmight; 01-30-2007 at 11:24 AM.

01-29-2007, 04:33 PM	#2
Jandar Trublade Guest Posts: n/a	Helm's Deep Query I agree, in all strategy type games that I have played I relish the chance to use archers asap to reduce the enemy before contact. Perhaps the Aragon had an inflated opinion of how good his elvish archer allies would be.....?

01-29-2007, 04:53 PM	#3
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	One explanation is that if the range was too big the archers would probably not hit anything. As is said by Gimli in the movie the Uruks had good armour, so it would make sense for Aragorn to want them to wait and shoot only when the Orcs are closer. Not enough arrows could also be a reason...however all in all it does make pretty little sense to me that he made them wait __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-29-2007, 06:48 PM	#4
FeRaL sHaDoW Wight Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 232	how many arrows would the achers have each? at closer range the arrows would have more of an impact and they would waste less. __________________ God created night, but man created darkness....

01-29-2007, 07:03 PM	#6
FeRaL sHaDoW Wight Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 232	yes that bomb really messed things up. __________________ God created night, but man created darkness....

01-30-2007, 01:36 AM	#7
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Didn't one of those old guys shoot an orc and he was practically admonished! __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering. Last edited by hewhoarisesinmight; 01-30-2007 at 11:23 AM. Reason: curse me and my missing words!

02-12-2007, 03:03 PM	#8
Jandar Trublade Guest Posts: n/a	Helm's Deep Query Very interesting comments regarding Elves. Never really looked at it in that way before. Still, taking the thought further and expanding, does that mean that all non human races are of such ilk, in their own unique ways, and it is only men who move toward the future. If it does its a neat way of arriving at why there are no elves et al around today. Or am I now mixing reality with fantasy...... and if so, is that a bad thing?

02-13-2007, 07:51 AM	#9
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	Well Middle Earth is supposed to be the real earth so that might have been Tolkien's thinking __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.