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12-28-2006, 05:25 PM | #1 | |
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No other way ?
I just had this sudden idea as I was re-reading LOTR today, The Forbidden Pool.
There Faramir was talking to Frodo about the future of his quest and about the way he should choose. Clearly he was not pleased with the choice made by Gollum (Cirith Ungol), and asked Frodo several times if there was no other way. So, I'll be a copy-cat and ask the same: No other way at all??? I mean, even if the mountains were steep, hobbits are good climbers, and Gollum as well. Wouldn't it have been much, much easier and less dangerous for them to just climb and pass the mountains somewhere in North Ithilien. That way they would have never had the whole Cirith Ungol problem. Faramir himself knows no other way, because, as he says, all ways that might have been known were forgotten, and no man of Gondor had entered the mountains: Quote:
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12-28-2006, 05:44 PM | #2 |
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This subject has been well debated on the downs. . .Many is of the belief that there must have been other ways and that Gandalf must have known at least one, but I don't think anything was ever concluded.
I personally think that there would have been other ways, but I doubt that they would have been alternatives. One could have spend ages searching for passes over the mountains and they would probably also have been guarded, but probably only by orcs. |
12-29-2006, 01:45 AM | #3 | |
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So: the passages probably have been there, but they surely could not serve good for Frodo's purposes.
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12-29-2006, 04:39 AM | #4 | |
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12-29-2006, 05:05 AM | #5 |
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You have misunderstood me Legate.
I am also asking if in general there wouldn't have been another way. Gandalf might have known as he was not too happy to hear Cirith Ungol when he met Faramir. If we are to talk only about Frodo and Sam, I would think there was an even more important reason then their need for speed - Gollum. They now trusted him as far as leading them on the way was concerned, and they believed that Cirith Ungol was besides the Black Gate the only other way to enter Mordor. And as Faramir and nobody else could prove Gollum wrong, they had no other way then to follow him. But if Gandalf had remained with them, they might have taken another way I suspect.
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12-29-2006, 07:38 AM | #6 | |
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Yes, I understand, I apologize, but you first spoke about the hobbits and Gollum, so I took it that you are speaking about their situation.
Anyway, you have my meaning of other ways through Ephel Dúath or Ered Lithui - since Cirith Ungol and Cirith Gorgor were the ones most used, and known (and as we can see, in case of Cirith Ungol, not so well known!), I'd suppose that there was not much else to come up with. Personally I wonder if Gandalf had even known what way they should go once they cross Anduin. The only Gandalf's words of this we have near the West gate of Moria: Quote:
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