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12-18-2006, 02:08 PM | #1 | |||
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Tolkien's 'Deus ex Machina'
There are certain situations when we see Tolkien use the authorial device of 'deus es machina' to help out our heroes from problems. It translates to 'God of the Machines' which means that some supernatural power/being/creature comes into the story to help our heroes out of a sticky situation, or solve the plot entirely. And Tolkien does use 'supernatural forces' on several occasions in his story.
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Or does Tolkien actually use 'deus es machina' to a great effect and able to serve a purpose in the story? What I mean here, is to examine the why. Why is there a special significance in using 'deus es machina' at certain key points throughout the story? Is there even an importance? We know he uses it, but the bigger question is why does he use it? And if there is an importance what is it? I have some ideas that I've kind of put together, but I want to wait and here some responses to get the discussion going. So...umm...have at it.
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12-18-2006, 02:38 PM | #2 |
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Sorry for disturbing without contributing a lot to the topic, though I might join in later after I see some other opinions.
Just wanted to say that the name is "Deus ex machina". Just wanting to be helpful
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12-18-2006, 06:26 PM | #4 |
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But is Eru's presence really a classic case of deus ex machina? If he is never named in the story, is he really being used as a literary tool at all?
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12-18-2006, 06:48 PM | #5 |
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Gandalf's very presence is divine intervention; he was sent by the gods to aid in an otherwise hopeless battle. I don't think the device really applies when we're discussing a story in which angelic and miraculous beings are known to be present from the start.
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12-18-2006, 08:01 PM | #6 |
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A very interesting topic indeed and I am not sure where I stand.
The first many times I read the books I don't remember that I thought he over used it, but especially when I read them this town around I really noticed. It made me thing "that was a pretty easy solution" I did not think it overly annoying, but it did make me think. I think that Tolkien do use it a bit to much, but his story captivates one so much that it does not matter. It is not extreme, probably because he him self was aware of this. I am very pleased about how he solves problems in the Hobbit and I especially like Gandalf's solutions. . .(Am I the only one who thinks Gandalf changes from The Hobbit to LotR) Sure the eagles come to their rescue a few times, but it really works. Where as Gollum falling down into the chasm might seem a bit to convinient. . . Yeah as you can see I haven't really made up my mind, but I will sertainly follow this discution and tip in when I have made my mind up or have something to add in genneral. |
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