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10-15-2006, 04:38 PM

The LOTR introduced a shadow & flame in the form of the Balrog of Morgoth, a Demon from the Ancient World lurking in the Mines of Moria. The Fellowship also encounters the ''Watcher in the Water'' upon the entrance to the Mines. What other such evils existed from the Ancient world which were not discussed in the LOTR, & were they free of control from Sauron? In what order of power would you level them? The subject of Balrogs, their methods of battle & spell casting is a very interesting one.

Gil-Galad · 10-15-2006, 04:56 PM

Most of the evil creatures that you find in LOTR were created by Melkor, more as a mockery to what was created by Eru. for example, the orcs were created out of a mockery of the elves, the trolls were created as a mockery of the ents. Melkor created many other creatures, including vampires, werewolfs, balrog, dragons and many more to do his bidding and bring evil. he possibly created the Watcher but had no use for it seeing how the oceans would easily overcome him, so he probably cast it off and worked on his next creation.

10-15-2006, 05:00 PM

What about Dragons? Gandalf spoke of a Black Dragon in the LOTR, Ancalagon the Black I think he was called.

MatthewM · 10-15-2006, 05:02 PM

Vampires? Do you know where it mentions that? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. I remember something was mentioned once with a vampire and werewolf but I can't recall where I read that...

10-15-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewM

Vampires? Do you know where it mentions that? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. I remember something was mentioned once with a vampire and werewolf but I can't recall where I read that...

Gandalf spoke about Werewolves in the Shadow of the Past, but Vampires? Did Morgoth have an army of such undead creatures?

Gil-Galad · 10-15-2006, 05:06 PM

Dragons were created by Melkor, as i said, first one was Glaurang, the Great Worm, then during the War of Wrath, he unleashed Ancalgon with his Winged-Dragons as a final effort, but it failed.

Vampires were among the creatures of tol-In-Guaroth, though not greatly mentioned, they still served in the ranks of evil during the first age. Vampires might have been created by Sauron, but they were controlled by Sauron.

10-15-2006, 05:09 PM

Was Smaug related to these Dragons? How did he compare in terms of power?

10-16-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewM

Vampires? Do you know where it mentions that? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. I remember something was mentioned once with a vampire and werewolf but I can't recall where I read that...

You might be thinking of the Silmarrillion when Luthien and Beren transform into a vampire and werewolf respectively. Other than that I can't think of a mention in LOTR.

10-15-2006, 04:38 PM	#1
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	Demons from the Ancient World The LOTR introduced a shadow & flame in the form of the Balrog of Morgoth, a Demon from the Ancient World lurking in the Mines of Moria. The Fellowship also encounters the ''Watcher in the Water'' upon the entrance to the Mines. What other such evils existed from the Ancient world which were not discussed in the LOTR, & were they free of control from Sauron? In what order of power would you level them? The subject of Balrogs, their methods of battle & spell casting is a very interesting one. Last edited by Mansun; 10-15-2006 at 04:43 PM.

10-15-2006, 04:56 PM	#2
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Most of the evil creatures that you find in LOTR were created by Melkor, more as a mockery to what was created by Eru. for example, the orcs were created out of a mockery of the elves, the trolls were created as a mockery of the ents. Melkor created many other creatures, including vampires, werewolfs, balrog, dragons and many more to do his bidding and bring evil. he possibly created the Watcher but had no use for it seeing how the oceans would easily overcome him, so he probably cast it off and worked on his next creation. __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

10-15-2006, 05:02 PM	#4
MatthewM Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Posts: 628	Vampires? Do you know where it mentions that? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. I remember something was mentioned once with a vampire and werewolf but I can't recall where I read that... __________________ "Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills...and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!" -Boromir, The Fellowship of the Ring

10-15-2006, 05:06 PM	#6
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Dragons were created by Melkor, as i said, first one was Glaurang, the Great Worm, then during the War of Wrath, he unleashed Ancalgon with his Winged-Dragons as a final effort, but it failed. Vampires were among the creatures of tol-In-Guaroth, though not greatly mentioned, they still served in the ranks of evil during the first age. Vampires might have been created by Sauron, but they were controlled by Sauron. __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

10-15-2006, 05:00 PM	#3
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	What about Dragons? Gandalf spoke of a Black Dragon in the LOTR, Ancalagon the Black I think he was called.

10-15-2006, 05:09 PM	#7
Mansun Guest Posts: n/a	Was Smaug related to these Dragons? How did he compare in terms of power?